Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[GhostofDempsey]

McVey beat
Russell
Jim Johnson x6
Ferguson
Pelkey
Jeannette and drew with him x2
Bell x2
Lang
Kubiak
Martin x3
Wills x2
Langford x2 and drew with him x6
If McVey wasn't great,what does that say about those he beat, and those he held even?

McVea was a member of the great black foursome of the teens along with Jack Johnson, Sam Langford and Joe Jeannette; He was inducted into the Ring Boxing Hall of Fame in 1986 and the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1999

You can't admit McVey was a great fighter because Johnson thoroughly whipped him 3 times!
How sad is that?
Jeannette ,Langford,and Johnson all called him a great fighter,but what would they know compared to you?

Greatness can be subjective. His skills were crude but he excelled with stamina, strength, resilience. I can post video of his fights and sources that described fans booing during many of his matches becuase of his style. I compared him to some pretty decent fighters on here who I also said were not great, some of them are former champions. There is no agenda here. You sound like a paranoid and angry curmudgeon who is a bore to be around.

[them_apples]

Greatness can be subjective. His skills were crude but he excelled with stamina, strength, resilience. I can post video of his fights and sources that described fans booing during many of his matches becuase of his style. I compared him to some pretty decent fighters on here who I also said were not great, some of them are former champions. There is no agenda here. You sound like a paranoid and angry curmudgeon who is a bore to be around.

I don't know much about Mcvey but he's one of the most chiselled Mfkers I've ever seen.

he's built like a horse look at his wrists and fists

[GhostofDempsey]

I don't know much about Mcvey but he's one of the most chiselled Mfkers I've ever seen.

Yes he was very strong and had a lot of endurance. He once went 49 rounds with Jeannette in a grueling contest.

[Bronson66]

Greatness can be subjective. His skills were crude but he excelled with stamina, strength, resilience. I can post video of his fights and sources that described fans booing during many of his matches becuase of his style. I compared him to some pretty decent fighters on here who I also said were not great, some of them are former champions. There is no agenda here. You sound like a paranoid and angry curmudgeon who is a bore to be around.

Those that fought him called him great fighter,and the fact that he beat and held great fighters to draws shows he was himself a great fighter,unless you don't think Jeannette,Langford, and Wills were great fighters?

"His skills were crude but he excelled with stamina, strength, resilience."

Sounds like Marciano, was he also not great?

McVey was actually kod 3 times
Once by Johnson
Once by Langford
Once by Jeannette .

In his two other stoppage losses he claimed he was fouled and refused to continue.
101 fights stopped 3 times!

I'm neither paranoid or angry .
I've just walked across the road and got my Sunday Times,looking forward to solving the crossword,some scrambled eggs and smoked salmon for breakfast and later, some Sunday lunchtime Jazz,I'm in a great mood!
I may well be a curmudgeon.
As to my differences of opinion on here they were principally with 2 posters,both of whom are now banned.
I was rude to Them Apples before he took a hiatus.I welcomed him back and admitted I was unnecessarily harsh on him .
I also conceded I was wrong on a Marciano point,so your contention that I cannot admit I'm wrong is BS
Its actually called," projection," where you attribute to others the faults that you yourself possess.

I hope your Sunday is as pleasant as mine is going to be!

[GhostofDempsey]

Those that fought him called him great fighter,and the fact that he beat and held great fighters to draws shows he was himself a great fighter,unless you don't think Jeannette,Langford, and Wills were great fighters?

"His skills were crude but he excelled with stamina, strength, resilience."

Sounds like Marciano, was he also not great?

McVey was actually kod 3 times
Once by Johnson
Once by Langford
Once by Jeannette .

In his two other stoppage losses he claimed he was fouled and refused to continue.
101 fights stopped 3 times!

I'm neither paranoid or angry .
I've just walked across the road and got my Sunday Times,looking forward to solving the crossword,some scrambled eggs and smoked salmon for breakfast and later, some Sunday lunchtime Jazz,I'm in a great mood!
I may well be a curmudgeon.
As to my differences of opinion on here they were principally with 2 posters,both of whom are now banned.
I was rude to Them Apples before he took a hiatus.I welcomed him back and admitted I was unnecessarily harsh on him .
I also conceded I was wrong on a Marciano point,so your contention that I cannot admit I'm wrong is BS
Its actually called," projection," where you attribute to others the faults that you yourself possess.

I hope your Sunday is as pleasant as mine is going to be!

So now you’re gloating over two members you disagreed with being banned? While your own Ivich account was banned? That’s hypocrisy.

I’m holding my stance, McVey was good but not great. Despite former opponents calling him great because they beat him.

I see Marciano as a fighter who is both underrated and overrated. It’s again subjective.

[them_apples]

Those that fought him called him great fighter,and the fact that he beat and held great fighters to draws shows he was himself a great fighter,unless you don't think Jeannette,Langford, and Wills were great fighters?

"His skills were crude but he excelled with stamina, strength, resilience."

Sounds like Marciano, was he also not great?

McVey was actually kod 3 times
Once by Johnson
Once by Langford
Once by Jeannette .

In his two other stoppage losses he claimed he was fouled and refused to continue.
101 fights stopped 3 times!

I'm neither paranoid or angry .
I've just walked across the road and got my Sunday Times,looking forward to solving the crossword,some scrambled eggs and smoked salmon for breakfast and later, some Sunday lunchtime Jazz,I'm in a great mood!
I may well be a curmudgeon.
As to my differences of opinion on here they were principally with 2 posters,both of whom are now banned.
I was rude to Them Apples before he took a hiatus.I welcomed him back and admitted I was unnecessarily harsh on him .
I also conceded I was wrong on a Marciano point,so your contention that I cannot admit I'm wrong is BS
Its actually called," projection," where you attribute to others the faults that you yourself possess.

I hope your Sunday is as pleasant as mine is going to be!

Indeed if we keep this up Bronson - we may reignite the fire of this forum and keep it alive.

[Bronson66]

So now you’re gloating over two members you disagreed with being banned? While your own Ivich account was banned? That’s hypocrisy.

I’m holding my stance, McVey was good but not great. Despite former opponents calling him great because they beat him.

I see Marciano as a fighter who is both underrated and overrated. It’s again subjective.

I'm gloating over nothing, I've never asked for, or wanted a poster to be banned.
.I'm simply pointing out the fact that two posters I had issues with are now banned,which implies the problems I had with them may not have been all my fault!

One of them is banned for life on ESB the other was banned there and may be now , I don't know. He made a thread with my user name as the title calling for the mods to ban me from this forum,getting no joy there,and having the thread closed by the mods he then made a thread in the Thunder Dome,again entitled with my User Name.That thread has now disappeared presumably because of all the obscenities and personal insults he made to me in it.
I was once banned here and never denied it ,it seems to hold some fascination for you because you repeat it in every post!
Well, be my guest!
Your stance on McVey does not explain how,if he was only a"good fighter",he was able to beat great ones such as Wills,Jeannette, and Langford ,and also compete on level terms with them several times?
Your posts are looking increasingly desperate on this subject and beginning to resemble Dr Z's.

[travestyny]

I’m holding my stance, McVey was good but not great. Despite former opponents calling him great because they beat him.

The usual hypocrisy with this guy.

When a fighter says something that he agrees with, he holds onto it for dear life and feigns outrage if anyone dare to challenge what the fighter said....(ie. Jeannette attacks on Johnson)

Once fighters go against his claims, he dismisses it with some excuse (ie. Jeannette claiming McVey was great..."only because he beat him")


No shame. On permanent repeat. Joke poster.

[Bronson66]

The usual hypocrisy with this guy.

When a fighter says something that he agrees with, he holds onto it for dear life and feigns outrage if anyone dare to challenge what the fighter said....(ie. Jeannette attacks on Johnson)

Once fighters go against his claims, he dismisses it with some excuse (ie. Jeannette claiming McVey was great..."only because he beat him")


No shame. On permanent repeat. Joke poster.

Yeah, not double standards,double glazed standards! lol

[QueensburyRules]

- -JJ gets beat by most heavy champs. Imagine prime Patterson in 6oz gloves, a massacre!!!

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