Was James j jeffries one of the greatest?

[travestyny]

Another anonymous news article from over 100 years ago is all he has to stand on, like every other argument he fails to win.

I suppose you believe this is much better. Some Reno paper, some time ago....

Jeffries quote to a Reno paper suggests he never said he could never have beaten Johnson.

“Had I met Johnson when I was in my prime the result would have been different-I would have beaten him. As it was, I wore myself down and was beaten as much by the effects of my own exertions as I was by Johnson's blows.”

By the way, funny that good ol' Willie didn't try to call you out for Jeffries using the word "prime." Talk about being selective, huh, Willie


You clowns always give yourselves away.

[QueensburyRules]

I've seen about 3 different posters at some point mention this same exact bit of family history. So either you are all the same person, or you all ran with a lie you picked up from each other.

Any reports of riots or gangs of roving Black mobs beating up White people that you can point to for concrete evidence of this?

- - Just me reporting what my uncle told me. Did they find some older white kid to beat up?

When Schmeling beat Louis JJ had to be rescued in Harlem by the police after he started flashing and bragging about the $$$ he won betting on Schmeling. JJ was eventually banned from Louis camps for being such a disrupting negative force.

And of course you know he abandoned black women for white **********s, right?

And he gave $$$ transported over state lines to his first white ********** wife to establish a brothel that resulted in his guilty Mann Act verdict where upon he promptly fled to Paris.

***** while in Harvard Law School became the first black prez of the Harvard Law Review, so surely even you recall after examining JJ files, he refused to grant JJ a Prez Pardon, but Rump did and even offered to Pardon Ali...

Them was Da Days then and now...

[QueensburyRules]

Unfortunately for you, Jeffries admit he could never have beaten Johnson.

There is a reason he ducked him from the beginning.

- - So, by default Jeff ducked Hart because since Hart whooped JJ and would Jeff...snickers...

[travestyny]

- - Just me reporting what my uncle told me. Did they find some older white kid to beat up?

When Schmeling beat Louis JJ had to be rescued in Harlem by the police after he started flashing and bragging about the $$$ he won betting on Schmeling. JJ was eventually banned from Louis camps for being such a disrupting negative force.

And of course you know he abandoned black women for white **********s, right?

And he gave $$$ transported over state lines to his first white ********** wife to establish a brothel that resulted in his guilty Mann Act verdict where upon he promptly fled to Paris.

***** while in Harvard Law School became the first black prez of the Harvard Law Review, so surely even you recall after examining JJ files, he refused to grant JJ a Prez Pardon, but Rump did and even offered to Pardon Ali...

Them was Da Days then and now...

You are a proven liar. Your uncle probably is as well.

[travestyny]

- - So, by default Jeff ducked Hart because since Hart whooped JJ and would Jeff...snickers...

He stated he wouldn't fight JJ even if he won. No one needed Hart to win a fight by slamming his face up against Johnson's fists repeatedly to know Jeffries would duck the fight.

[QueensburyRules]

He stated he wouldn't fight JJ even if he won. No one needed Hart to win a fight by slamming his face up against Johnson's fists repeatedly to know Jeffries would duck the fight.

- - Welcome to fight that dated quote.

After the Hart win, Jeffries announced there were no more compelling fights and he was retiring.

No matter, JJ had a miserable 1905 year with Hart and Jeannette whooping him...

[travestyny]

- - Welcome to fight that dated quote.

After the Hart win, Jeffries announced there were no more compelling fights and he was retiring.

No matter, JJ had a miserable 1905 year with Hart and Jeannette whooping him...

Wrong. He stated he wouldn't fight Johnson even before the Hart bout...because he knew he'd get that ass beat.


Or as he would say, "I refuse to fight a Black man, just because I say so."

1904 - Clearly before the Hart/Johnson Fight.

[QueensburyRules]

Wrong. He stated he wouldn't fight Johnson even before the Hart bout...because he knew he'd get that ass beat.


Or as he would say, "I refuse to fight a Black man, just because I say so."

1904 - Clearly before the Hart/Johnson Fight.

- - Martin down three times in the second round. "..Manager McCarey of the Century Athletic Club announced that he would offer a $15, 000 guarantee for a match between Jeffries and Johnson..."

Peanut$ suits you perfectly. Doesn't change JJ had a miserable 1905 when Jeffries retired to his alfalfa farm to blow up to 350lb.

And so where was the $$$ for the fight then compared to 6 years later?

• The purse was $101,000. Originally, the winner was to get 75% and the loser 25%. Five days before the fight, Johnson proposed changing it to an even 50/50 split. Jeffries suggested a 60/40 split, which Johnson accepted. Each fighter was given a $10,000 signing bonus. Jeffries was given $66,666 for movie rights and Johnson was given $50,000.
• Jeffries opened as a 10-7 favorite. Odds climbed as high as 2½-1 for Jeffries.
• The fight was to take place in San Francisco, until California's governor, James Gillett, stepped in with less than three weeks to go. Boxing was still banned in many states, and church groups had pressured him to stop it on moral and religious grounds. Promoter Tex Rickard acted swiftly and moved the bout to Reno, where prizefighting was legal and several east-west railroads met.
• There were rumors of a fix, and Nevada Governor Denver ****erson demanded an assurance from Rickard that the fight be fair, not fixed.

They actually collectively cleared $200,000 with JJ as the winner just over $100K and Jeff just under $100K.

The movie rights were minimal because Many Local Legislators outlawed this fight to prevent future riots.

To Wit:

Two weeks after the match former President Theodore Roosevelt, an avid boxer and fan, wrote an article for The Outlook in which he supported banning not just moving pictures of boxing matches, but a complete ban on all U.S. prize fights. He cited the "crookedness" and gambIling that surrounded such contests and that moving pictures have "introduced a new method of money getting and of demoralization".^[33] The controversy surrounding the film directly^[10] motivated Congress to ban distribution of all prize-fight films across state lines in 1912; the ban was lifted in 1940.^[33]

[Bronson66]

- - Martin down three times in the second round. "..Manager McCarey of the Century Athletic Club announced that he would offer a $15, 000 guarantee for a match between Jeffries and Johnson..."

Peanut$ suits you perfectly. Doesn't change JJ had a miserable 1905 when Jeffries retired to his alfalfa farm to blow up to 350lb.

And so where was the $$$ for the fight then compared to 6 years later?

• The purse was $101,000. Originally, the winner was to get 75% and the loser 25%. Five days before the fight, Johnson proposed changing it to an even 50/50 split. Jeffries suggested a 60/40 split, which Johnson accepted. Each fighter was given a $10,000 signing bonus. Jeffries was given $66,666 for movie rights and Johnson was given $50,000.
• Jeffries opened as a 10-7 favorite. Odds climbed as high as 2½-1 for Jeffries.
• The fight was to take place in San Francisco, until California's governor, James Gillett, stepped in with less than three weeks to go. Boxing was still banned in many states, and church groups had pressured him to stop it on moral and religious grounds. Promoter Tex Rickard acted swiftly and moved the bout to Reno, where prizefighting was legal and several east-west railroads met.
• There were rumors of a fix, and Nevada Governor Denver ****erson demanded an assurance from Rickard that the fight be fair, not fixed.

They actually collectively cleared $200,000 with JJ as the winner just over $100K and Jeff just under $100K.

The movie rights were minimal because Many Local Legislators outlawed this fight to prevent future riots.

To Wit:

Two weeks after the match former President Theodore Roosevelt, an avid boxer and fan, wrote an article for The Outlook in which he supported banning not just moving pictures of boxing matches, but a complete ban on all U.S. prize fights. He cited the "crookedness" and gambIling that surrounded such contests and that moving pictures have "introduced a new method of money getting and of demoralization".^[33] The controversy surrounding the film directly^[10] motivated Congress to ban distribution of all prize-fight films across state lines in 1912; the ban was lifted in 1940.^[33]

Jeffries would have earned more from fighting either Johnson or McVey then he received for fighting Munroe. both Johnson and Jeffreis received a third each of the film rights which was a very considerable amount of money,there was no talk of films of the fight being banned before the fight.

[Bronson66]

- - Welcome to fight that dated quote.

After the Hart win, Jeffries announced there were no more compelling fights and he was retiring.

No matter, JJ had a miserable 1905 year with Hart and Jeannette whooping him...

Johnson had 13 fights in1905 losing 2 both of which were highly debateable.