The WBA didn't strip Lennox Lewis

[Willie Pep 229]

Good stuff.

I find it hysterical guys who defend the ABC orgs and actually believe there is a new world champion if a guy like Lewis gets stripped for actually fighting a better fighter than any particular mandatory.

Some need to be told what to think.

It is easier to let someone else think for you.

American politics is dependent on cognitive laziness.

Do you think vast numbers of MAGA people actually had a political opinion until an outside agent convinced them they were unhappy?

[Marchegiano]

Some need to be told what to think.

It is easier to let someone else think for you.

American politics is dependent on cognitive laziness.

Do you think vast numbers of MAGA people actually had a political opinion until an outside agent convinced them they were unhappy?

That'd be true if consensus wasn't to ***** about bodies regardless of the situation.

I am the main body thumper here and if kaf's on a mission it's largely due to my sharing the benefits of bodies to an audience that can't blame a fighter for anything. I have spoken plainly to middle path in this and few ever agree, so I'll hand you that. Middle path is difficult for fans. However, in this community the poster most often called "unhinged" and outted for being contrarian toward consensus simply because it is take for granted. Kinda taking this personal.



But to the latter, it isn't just the MAGAs who woke up, saw a man on screen and started doing as he says. Been the only plastics expert on here the entire time, let global warming be the topic and see if I don't get told rhetoric rather than asked for truth. This isn't an american problem either.



When the people who are in power now were young they enjoys some hate politics and cults. They're power, so is hate politics and cults. Hmmm. Seems like grandpa aged bull**** to me.

[Coverdale]

It would hugely improve our public discourse if people treated online conversation as a genuine exchange of ideas rather than a confrontation to be 'won' at the earliest opportunity with theatrics and debaters' points.

If we're ever going to solve the existential problems humanity faces (which I am not at all hopeful about) then cooperation will be required. Building up cults and power centres around self-interested charlatans/deluded ideologues with severe personality defects is not the answer. Although it's in their interests for you to believe otherwise and requires a lot less effort.

[QueensburyRules]

Good stuff.

I find it hysterical guys who defend the ABC orgs and actually believe there is a new world champion if a guy like Lewis gets stripped for actually fighting a better fighter than any particular mandatory.

- - More hilarious that you think an ABC mandatory is a lesser fighter. Lewie only wanted a shot Tyson because of $$$.

[JAB5239]

- - More hilarious that you think an ABC mandatory is a lesser fighter. Lewie only wanted a shot Tyson because of $$$.

Let me put it in perspective for you. Your hero Vits who you consider a champion had his last fight against Manuel Charr, the WBC #1 rated contender. Do you think he would have been given more credit or less had he fought Povetkin ( the next best fighter after himself and Wlad) instead of the almighty Charr?

Lewis on the other hand had his last fight against consensus #1 Vits. Both won their final fights, but who challenged themselves and who chose the easy opponent?

[QueensburyRules]

Let me put it in perspective for you. Your hero Vits who you consider a champion had his last fight against Manuel Charr, the WBC #1 rated contender. Do you think he would have been given more credit or less had he fought Povetkin ( the next best fighter after himself and Wlad) instead of the almighty Charr?

Lewis on the other hand had his last fight against consensus #1 Vits. Both won their final fights, but who challenged themselves and who chose the easy opponent?

- - Lewie won a contested fight he orchestrated by slight of hand, but lost the battle by consensus. ABCs dictate fights because it's their belt and their rules, hence Lewie's premature retired the day before WBC was due to strip him for not fighting his mandatory, Vit.

WBC Charr was undefeated and a highly ranked prime aged mandatory when 41 yr old Vit beat him one handed ...yer welcome

[JAB5239]

- - Lewie won a contested fight he orchestrated by slight of hand, but lost the battle by consensus. ABCs dictate fights because it's their belt and their rules, hence Lewie's premature retired the day before WBC was due to strip him for not fighting his mandatory, Vit.

WBC Charr was undefeated and a highly ranked prime aged mandatory when 41 yr old Vit beat him one handed ...yer welcome

Lewis didn't need the ABC's he was the champion with or without their cartoon belts. And Vits fighting Carr instead of Povetkin highlights the problem with ABC mandatories. Occasionally you get a true number one as a defense with the Hannah-Barbera orgs, most of the time you get what vits gave us.

You are right about one thing, there is a definite consensus on who won Vits-Lewis. You can check it out at boxrec or any other record keeping sites.

[QueensburyRules]

Lewis didn't need the ABC's he was the champion with or without their cartoon belts. And Vits fighting Carr instead of Povetkin highlights the problem with ABC mandatories. Occasionally you get a true number one as a defense with the Hannah-Barbera orgs, most of the time you get what vits gave us.

You are right about one thing, there is a definite consensus on who won Vits-Lewis. You can check it out at boxrec or any other record keeping sites.

- - He needed it so bad he held the belt hostage into the next year to float his sissy boxing fans. Vit was never threatened with strippage and retired on top age 41.

[QueensburyRules]

Good stuff.

I find it hysterical guys who defend the ABC orgs and actually believe there is a new world champion if a guy like Lewis gets stripped for actually fighting a better fighter than any particular mandatory.

- - Vit the best mandatory in heavy history. Lewie the best mommy's boy in heavy history.

BTW, WBC gave Wlad his WBC heavy belt to make up for freezing him out of the WBC.

[JAB5239]

- - He needed it so bad he held the belt hostage into the next year to float his sissy boxing fans. Vit was never threatened with strippage and retired on top age 41.

Vits was never the champion, so there was nothing to strip unless you count the cartoon belt. Lewis fought the best. Vits ducked a Byrd rematch that could have made him a lineal champ and 28 other top ten contenders during his time. He also signed to fight Rahman, backed out and never tried to make that fight again. But hey, let's get on Lennox for retiring a winner!!!