Why didn't Vitali - Sanders establish new lineage?

[JAB5239]

- - Forced to for his WBC belt. Otherwise bros froze out King.

Not forced, he chose to as did his brother. You're running out of excuses. Why don't you go back to the other threads and tell me again how they threw samples away.

[billeau2]

Whap

Damn, but Z's a tough old dog and he will recover.


Yeah man, I'm pretty tired of the whole bad source routine. It didn't used to be a major factor in our discussions for most the time I've been on BS. Maybe the last 5 - 6 years. Root of my attack on Nat, been having Nat thrown in my face while I get told I am not qualified. For about five years now.


There's a few users who immediately jump to your source is wrong but mine can do no wrong style stances. Z's not alone in it, and I confess I gave up on fighting it and joined in with my several threads that basically amount to Nat Fleischer wasn't even a historian. Even if you didn't get it, that's really what these recent color line threads are about. Bringing up rasslin', maybe going too hard on "lineal" when I really mean lineal as told by Nat, etc.


But, if this is the shot across the bow against this behavior, all for it. I'll stop my bull**** source attacking too. I don't tell my readers who was great and who wasn't why TF would I tell youse who is and isn't a solid source like as if that is not an opinion?



So, yeah Z here's a case in point but not exactly the only one. Maybe don't have ***** ass arguments over whose daddy can whoop who on a playground and just cite the source. Because I promise you this, does not matter who said what or who agrees with what, readers are going to read and form their own opinions and by being opinion tyrants all you do is make new comers nervous to speak. Try to dictate the ****ing means in which opinions are formed. What ****s.



I don't really have a problem with Ring, it is the new Ring thumping fanboys who pretend like the only source as valued as Ring is the books they happened to buy. Black Belt was ****, but even they had some good articles sometimes. I was speaking to a guy a while back about Bart Vale and how I had my view on him backwards. Vale was using Black Belt to promote his wrestling not using wrestling to try to weasel into a real fighting sport's rankings. The fact that he did speaks to his bravery and performance ability. He was a great pro wrestler actually.

We all know about the Dux stuff and Dante and what not, or at least I hope everyone does. But there was also MMA coverage and things like that. Just saying not even BB was only ninja stars.

Yes, any sacred cow needs to be looked at carefully. I know Black Belt ran some good pieces because they published some of mine! but like Ring people really did take it as a source, which it has never really been. Vale was a beast. Shoot wrestling in Japan was excellent quality material and he made his bones in the ring over there.

I agree with this post with no caveats. Even in academic circles it applies. I once argued with the president of my Master's degree school. He, like myself was a comparative philosopher and my mentor undergrad was his best friend. We all had dinner together. Like so many Western bias trained philosophers he wanted to assert that Western thinking was a pedigree, I told him that schools of all the Western traditions, and more vigorous schools of thought existed in India. As someone who loves both traditions, I was not denigrating the Greeks, Kant, etc, but to give them some status... I remain skeptical.

I look at our debate akin to how you describe Nat and Ring. Boxing materials were around to plagorize... Nobody really looks at intellectual property carefully outside of academics, school teachers and researchers. Nat could go to any of many great materials and just steal the work, who (aside from you?) would call him out on it?

My analogy continues to Socrates. The Golden Age of thinking showed that Socrates was familiar with Indian concepts of Rebirth, Karma etc. Plato openly credited the Greek thinking with Egyptian Priests who came before... There was borrowing... Nothing was Ad Naseum!

[billeau2]

- - U being stoopid don't make U lineal expert.

Byrd already whooped by Wlad before Byrd got with DKing and the WBA while Vit was retired. Wlad had to wait until Byrd was free from King for his rematch sans his WBA. Meanwhile Vit make his comeback by KO of Sam Peter for WBC belt.

Meanwhile Wlad KOs undefeated WBA Champ with they also withholding the WBA belt. Vit's WBC comeback made him #1 Ring with them finally recognizing Wlad as Ring Champ.

Poor Byrd was shot to shyte then, so no reason to fight him other than your school grrl fantasy

When you said "yer welcome" here I thought you put down the bottle to post

[billeau2]

Not forced, he chose to as did his brother. You're running out of excuses. Why don't you go back to the other threads and tell me again how they threw samples away.

According to Queen B Vlad never lost. He was poisoned see? And Sanders? It was all a conspiracy to get his brother some credit see? Purity, Brewster, all poisonings!

[Biledriver]

When you said "yer welcome" here I thought you put down the bottle to post

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[QueensburyRules]

According to Queen B Vlad never lost. He was poisoned see? And Sanders? It was all a conspiracy to get his brother some credit see? Purity, Brewster, all poisonings!

- - Wlad is the epitome of the Modern Hvy along with Vit and Wlad turning pro with their Ama trainer with zero background on pro boxing who sent the modern boxing punk sprawling and bawling like kicked school girls.

Wlad also holds the Heavy record for the most lefties fought and beat...

But of course there are strong feral elements in boxing who hate Russians, the way it is now...

[billeau2]

- - Wlad is the epitome of the Modern Hvy along with Vit and Wlad turning pro with their Ama trainer with zero background on pro boxing who sent the modern boxing punk sprawling and bawling like kicked school girls.

Wlad also holds the Heavy record for the most lefties fought and beat...

But of course there are strong feral elements in boxing who hate Russians, the way it is now...

[JAB5239]

- - Wlad is the epitome of the Modern Hvy along with Vit and Wlad turning pro with their Ama trainer with zero background on pro boxing who sent the modern boxing punk sprawling and bawling like kicked school girls.

Wlad also holds the Heavy record for the most lefties fought and beat...

But of course there are strong feral elements in boxing who hate Russians, the way it is now...

Why do you keep using the word "feral" as if it changes something. Vits career was garbage. He was an excellent fighter who refused to take chances while little brother carried all the weight.

[Nash out]

The Lineal Championship, despite starting many moons ago, was made famous in more modern times during Wladimir Klitschko's 11-year unbeaten reign. Wlad also destroyed Vitali over and over again in sparring and beat up Bryd for him after Byrd destroyed Vitali by TKO.

In 2015, clean athlete and $70 million dollar plus charity-giver, Tyson Fury - The Gypsy King, did a Mayweather on Wlad, winning almost every round with some calling it the fight of the century. The Lineal Championship became a household known thing after Fury, beat prime Wlad, and it's a fact that Wlad's prime years were his 30s, only one man beat Wlad in his 30s, and that is the Great Fury.

Since then Fury has remained the Lineal Champion. A Lineal championship can not be lost in Saudi Arabia, and nobody should beheading over there to fight anyway. On top of that, Fury's invisible work won him both fights, he was robbed.

Fury will defend his Lineal vs Joshua, win that, then defend it vs Usyk in England for a real fight and real atmosphere with Usyk getting his first shot at the Lineal. After Fury wins again, a statue of average quality is made in his honour, Usyk cries for another fight, but Fury heads off into the sunset of Morecambe Bay and he is never seen again, but also, never forgotten. Nash out - His Majesty