Why didn't Vitali - Sanders establish new lineage?

[JAB5239]

I've already told you, the onus to rematch is on the loser. Vits never sought it, therefore cannot be claimed as lineal for skipping over him without even trying.

And you're finished with this thread because you have been eviscerated. Tell us again how you watched the Tyson-Botha fight and Tyson was winning on all cards. Tell how all ring champions are lineal champions. Ive proved theys not. Youre torched and you know it. Tell us how Holmes was kicked out of Ali's camp again. You make things up and expect people to blindly believe it. Sorry not happening.

I dare ANYONE to go watch Tyson-Botha and tell me Mike was ahead at the time of the stoppage.

[Willow The Wisp]

Sanders was a slightly better South African heavyweight than Botha, I believe. And so what? We might articulate the round-robin, drawing from 36 months prior to Lennox Lewis' retirement announcement on 02-06-2004, to the near universal declairation of Wladamir Klitschko's attainment of lineal title capture, upon beating Ruslan Chagaev on 06-20-2009 (IBF, WBO, IBO titles, and effectively Chagaev's WBA title, which the WBA reneged on giving...being absurd as only they can).
It really was a lengthy, and careful process used to properly re-connect the lineage between Lennox Lewis and Wladamir Klitschko.
So careful in fact, that challenges to the authenticity of the World Championship line always sit somewhere between sightings of Bigfoot and the Amityville ghost claims.

While he, like his brother, sometimes stumbled (as they all have except for Marciano), Wladamir Klitschko's career body of work is about as impressive as Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield or Lewis'; featuring wins over James Pritchard, Wimpy Halstead, Marcus McIntyre, Bigfoot Martin, Cody Koch, Steve Pannell, Najee Shaheed, Zoran Vujicic, Joseph Chingangu, Axel Schultz, Phil Jackson, Paea Wolfgramm, David Bostice, Monte Barrett, Chris Byrd (twice), Derrick Jefferson, Charles Shufford, Francois Botha, Ray Mercer, Jameel McCline, Fabio Eduardo Moli, Danell Nicholson, DaVarryl Williamson, Eliseo Castillo, Samuel Peter (twice), Calvin Brock, Ray Austin, Lamon Brewster (revenge), Sultan Ibragimov, Tony Thompson (twice), Hasim Rahman, Ruslan Chagaev, Eddie Chambers, David Haye, Jean Marc Mormeck, Mariusz Wach, Francesco Pianeta, Alexander Povetkin, Alex Leapai, Kubrat Pulev and Bryant Jennings; which is a resume that argues strongly against almost anyone's.
Although Both Klitschko brothers operated within a fairly dim era of heavyweights, at least for the first 2/3 of their campaigns; nobody could argue that they combined to sweep the floor clean, or that Wladamir did some 75% of the work.

Interesting, provocative thread.
I'm satisfied with the efforts made and conclusions rendered following the departures of Tunney, Marciano and Lewis, personally; and should Usyk be fortunate enough to defeat Daniel Dubois, Joseph Parker and retire, I'm confident that through an inclusive process of eliminations; a new Pontiff would be chosen whom God himself will endorse.

[QueensburyRules]

- - As I mentioned, Vit won the Lewis Vacated WBC Title when he fought Sanders.

WBC pretends they the only Lineal title existent and old Ring favored them by often making them Champion as they did Vit.

That's why Wlad was ignored in spite of being the most credential titled fighter of his time with IBO, WBO, and IBF belts until he KOed undefeated WBA champ Chagaev where the WBA refused to sanction their title in that bout. With the WBC still ducking Wlad, he could never fight for that belt, so embarrassed the Ring finally capitulated...the end until the end of time...yer welcome...

[JAB5239]

Sanders was a slightly better South African heavyweight than Botha, I believe. And so what? We might articulate the round-robin, drawing from 36 months prior to Lennox Lewis' retirement announcement on 02-06-2004, to the near universal declairation of Wladamir Klitschko's attainment of lineal title capture, upon beating Ruslan Chagaev on 06-20-2009 (IBF, WBO, IBO titles, and effectively Chagaev's WBA title, which the WBA reneged on giving...being absurd as only they can).
It really was a lengthy, and careful process used to properly re-connect the lineage between Lennox Lewis and Wladamir Klitschko.
So careful in fact, that challenges to the authenticity of the World Championship line always sit somewhere between sightings of Bigfoot and the Amityville ghost claims.

While he, like his brother, sometimes stumbled (as they all have except for Marciano), Wladamir Klitschko's career body of work is about as impressive as Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield or Lewis'; featuring wins over James Pritchard, Wimpy Halstead, Marcus McIntyre, Bigfoot Martin, Cody Koch, Steve Pannell, Najee Shaheed, Zoran Vujicic, Joseph Chingangu, Axel Schultz, Phil Jackson, Paea Wolfgramm, David Bostice, Monte Barrett, Chris Byrd (twice), Derrick Jefferson, Charles Shufford, Francois Botha, Ray Mercer, Jameel McCline, Fabio Eduardo Moli, Danell Nicholson, DaVarryl Williamson, Eliseo Castillo, Samuel Peter (twice), Calvin Brock, Ray Austin, Lamon Brewster (revenge), Sultan Ibragimov, Tony Thompson (twice), Hasim Rahman, Ruslan Chagaev, Eddie Chambers, David Haye, Jean Marc Mormeck, Mariusz Wach, Francesco Pianeta, Alexander Povetkin, Alex Leapai, Kubrat Pulev and Bryant Jennings; which is a resume that argues strongly against almost anyone's.
Although Both Klitschko brothers operated within a fairly dim era of heavyweights, at least for the first 2/3 of their campaigns; nobody could argue that they combined to sweep the floor clean, or that Wladamir did some 75% of the work.

Interesting, provocative thread.
I'm satisfied with the efforts made and conclusions rendered following the departures of Tunney, Marciano and Lewis, personally; and should Usyk be fortunate enough to defeat Daniel Dubois, Joseph Parker and retire, I'm confident that through an inclusive process of eliminations; a new Pontiff would be chosen whom God himself will endorse.

I pretty much agree with everything here. Wlad did the legwork, that's for sure. And as boring as I found him he deserves his spot amongst the all time greats in my opinion.

[JAB5239]

- - As I mentioned, Vit won the Lewis Vacated WBC Title when he fought Sanders.

WBC pretends they the only Lineal title existent and old Ring favored them by often making them Champion as they did Vit.

That's why Wlad was ignored in spite of being the most credential titled fighter of his time with IBO, WBO, and IBF belts until he KOed undefeated WBA champ Chagaev where the WBA refused to sanction their title in that bout. With the WBC still ducking Wlad, he could never fight for that belt, so embarrassed the Ring finally capitulated...the end until the end of time...yer welcome...

Ok, but him winning the WBC doesn't make him lineal. He never tried to even seek a fight with Byrd who was rated higher than Sanders.

[QueensburyRules]

Ok, but him winning the WBC doesn't make him lineal. He never tried to even seek a fight with Byrd who was rated higher than Sanders.

- - U being stoopid don't make U lineal expert.

Byrd already whooped by Wlad before Byrd got with DKing and the WBA while Vit was retired. Wlad had to wait until Byrd was free from King for his rematch sans his WBA. Meanwhile Vit make his comeback by KO of Sam Peter for WBC belt.

Meanwhile Wlad KOs undefeated WBA Champ with they also withholding the WBA belt. Vit's WBC comeback made him #1 Ring with them finally recognizing Wlad as Ring Champ.

Poor Byrd was shot to shyte then, so no reason to fight him other than your school grrl fantasy

[JAB5239]

- - U being stoopid don't make U lineal expert.

Byrd already whooped by Wlad before Byrd got with DKing and the WBA while Vit was retired. Wlad had to wait until Byrd was free from King for his rematch sans his WBA. Meanwhile Vit make his comeback by KO of Sam Peter for WBC belt.

Meanwhile Wlad KOs undefeated WBA Champ with they also withholding the WBA belt. Vit's WBC comeback made him #1 Ring with them finally recognizing Wlad as Ring Champ.

Poor Byrd was shot to shyte then, so no reason to fight him other than your school grrl fantasy

Lol, I was waiting for someone to try and use the Don King excuse. So why did they both fight Dam Peter who was indeed promoted by King? And once again Queenie, boxing is not a tag team. You cant win lineal on your brother's accomplishments.

[Bronson66]

"The fight saw Botha ahead on all scorecards until Tyson connected with one tremendous right hand that finished the match. Tyson threw a right while Botha was moving forward right into Tyson's punch. Botha was badly hurt and failed to beat the count. Botha tried to get up twice but failed, Tyson assisted the referee in helping Botha get up when the bell had rung. After the fight, Tyson stated at the press conference that he felt rusty"

The Moron's post
"Have you checked the score of Botha vs. Tyson yet?? Botha was not winning as you ascertain. You can say bad again. Too many falsehoods to take you seriously.

I did watch the fight live. It is laughable that you thought Botha was winning. No he wasn't and I posted the judges score cards."


What is all this BS about Tyson being in front at the time of the stoppage against Botha? Botha was ahead on all 3 cards!

• The fight saw Botha ahead on all scorecards until Tyson connected with one tremendous right hand that finished the match. Tyson threw a right while Botha was moving forward right into Tyson's punch. Botha was badly hurt and failed to beat the count. Botha tried to get up twice but failed, Tyson assisted the referee in helping Botha get up when the bell had rung. After the fight, Tyson stated at the press conference that he felt rusty.
• At the end of round one there had been some controversy when Tyson held Botha's left arm, who punched at Tyson in order to get free. Later, Tyson said he had tried to break Botha's arm. Referee Steele deducted 2 points from Tyson.
• Botha entered ranked as the # 2 heavyweight contender by the IBF.

• Judge: Dalby Shirley 35-40
• Judge: Bill Graham 36-39
• Judge: Dave Moretti 35-40

Obviously, as well as not being able to read, or spell ,the Hater can neither count , or score a fight! LOL.

Do not hold your breath expecting a correction!

[QueensburyRules]

Lol, I was waiting for someone to try and use the Don King excuse. So why did they both fight Dam Peter who was indeed promoted by King? And once again Queenie, boxing is not a tag team. You can win lineal on your brother's accomplishments.

- - Forced to for his WBC belt. Otherwise bros froze out King.

[JAB5239]

- - Forced to for his WBC belt. Otherwise bros froze out King.

Not forced, he chose to as did his brother. You're running out of excuses. Why don't you go back to the other threads and tell me again how they threw samples away.