The Greatness of Joe Frazier and an example of when the lineal was needed and came to the rescue of boxing

[Marchegiano]

No. I am saying I do not understand your point. Truly? I still do not. Promoters act on what the fans will pay to see am I wrong?

I'm not frustrated by this but I think it may be time give up on communicating that point and maybe move toward illustrating. Give me some time to put together the facts and present it. You will get it.


Ironically, you got me to 180 by making a point not only did you not necessarily intend but don't even recognize the value of Don't be so ****ing convincing!

[billeau2]

I'm not frustrated by this but I think it may be time give up on communicating that point and maybe move toward illustrating. Give me some time to put together the facts and present it. You will get it.


Ironically, you got me to 180 by making a point not only did you not necessarily intend but don't even recognize the value of Don't be so ****ing convincing!

If only my wife felt the same way...

[tokon]

Gets into a whole other set of issues. The biggest problem being: How do we reasonably judge the specific enhancements a fighter beniffited from? And how do we determine the general use of substances in the general population of fighters?

Why is either of those even necessary?
Fighter fails a PED test, he cheated. It doesn't matter what specific enhancements he did/didn't get, he's a cheat. If Fury hadn't "retired" ( his retirement and return su****iously coinciding with failed tests and ban dates) he would have been banned and stripped. That's the consideration in terms of "lineal" imo.

[billeau2]

Why is either of those even necessary?
Fighter fails a PED test, he cheated. It doesn't matter what specific enhancements he did/didn't get, he's a cheat. If Fury hadn't "retired" ( his retirement and return su****iously coinciding with failed tests and ban dates) he would have been banned and stripped. That's the consideration in terms of "lineal" imo.

Because if you are not catching the problem then the punitive measures mean very little. Also, there has to be some perspective on the use of steroids as a class of drugs. An older fighter should be able to use basic steroidal preparations to heal that anyone might get from a doctor. Is it fair that a fighter should lose years off a career because they cannot use drugs needed to heal from injuries? Steroids as a class of drugs is only a part of performance enhancing drugs. What enhancement is caused if I use a steroid to heal a shoulder cuff?

If it turns out that many fighters are masking the use of performance enhancing drugs, and there is no real measure of which drugs, regardless of class, are used to heal versus enhance, the whole process becomes somewhat arbitrary.