Jack Johnson Admits He Was Genuinely KO'd

[Willie Pep 229]

Im not baiting,I'm just questioning the premise that Greb cut a lot of his opponents. Apart from Marty Burke I don't see any mention of serious cuts inflicted on opponents ,and Burke went the distance.

Oh! OK. You were asking me. I have no clue I didn't address that in my post.

In fact I didn't think about it until Queen mentioned a few posts back.

We all know about the Tunney cut.

He went 15 hard rounds with Micky walker and almost put him down late. Walker did suffer a cut above his right eye. (Needs confirmation).

I don't know. Finding out would at least be a new exploration into Greb's history. (We have beaten just about every other subject about him to death.).

Would take much newspaper research.

[billeau2]

No, only footage of Greb sparring.

Yeah that video is on YouTube. It is interesting and definitely something to look at but it's not the same thing!

[billeau2]

I wish you could too. Then maybe all this hyperbole (not by you) about how this guy Greb was a lesser-god might subside a little.

I have said, and say again. I think (my conjecture from evaluating his résumé) Greb was feather-fisted; that he was an arm puncher.

One anecdotal example: In his decision victory over Tommy Gibbons one newspaper guy qualified the win by stating: "Greb threw a million punches but never hurt Gibbons as he seldom set."

"Seldom set" - What does that suggest? - Arm puncher.

Also what about his nickname? "The Human Windmill." Does that sound like a fighter with finesse, proper balance, a master of technique, throwing set punches that come from the floor? No, it doesn't. What it sounds like is an arm puncher.

And those newspaper guys who coined that nickname for him, were sitting ringside.

I too wish we could find a damn film of him.

P.S. If Anyone wants to debunk my statement, by all means please do, but please do not do it with quotes from Pittsburgh newspapers. They are a useless source when evaluating Harry Greb. Greb was Pittsburgh's golden child and their assessment of his fights read like Fox News talking about Donald Trump, ---> utterly useless information.

Not going to exaggerate so what I'm saying should be taken in context. If you do watch that video of Greb sparring around? He definitely is a windmiller. Interesting thing though. Those guys had a way of throwing punches bringing the fist over the shoulder. It was a little closer to how we're supposed to anatomically throw a punch, and a little farther from a trained fighter throwing absolute straight shots.

Beyond that it's hard to tell much and Pittsburgh did support it's fighters! It Actually was a real boxing town.

[QueensburyRules]

OK inyeresting if that is all true. But is it true for sure, or has the media created yet another factoid that is now considered fact?

I have never heard a Greb contemporary praise his footwork or his defensive nuance.

It seems to me there is little to no primary sources that make such statements, but boy he gets better and better with each fanboy biography published.

Wait the years and that SOB will ne able to fly

P.S. The Human Windmill doesn't suggest either of those traits.

- - Boxing Press then mostly collections of useless drunken dolts and I see little progress today.

Actually most of the press then and now a bunch of fabulists with an occasional seminal prize winning breaking study.

300 bouts then with both fighters going at it, there's going to be cuts.

Ali won a lot of his early fights on minor cuts as boxing was trying to promote him to a title shot.

[QueensburyRules]

He won 3 of his first 18 on cuts.

- - Most every TKO young Clay had was predicated on cuts or busted eye socket whether or not it was specifically stopped on cuts alone.

All thru his career he got favorable officiating as I reviewed everyone of his fights.

[travestyny]

"Ali won a lot of his early fights on minor cuts as boxing was trying to promote him to a title shot."

I watched his fights as they happened. Instead of persisting with this BS, take a look at his record ,you will see most of the tko's he got were after he had floored his opponents and they were in bad trouble.
Queenie wrong again,Ground Hog Day once more on the History Forum!

I'm so not surprised. I was going to look into this (mostly because I thought it was funny that he mentioned TKO's being due to broken eye sockets...well if there was ever a time for a TKO, that would be it!!!), but then I realized it was Queenie writing it and decided not to waste my time.

[Bronson66]

I'm so not surprised. I was going to look into this (mostly because I thought it was funny that he mentioned TKO's being due to broken eye sockets...well if there was ever a time for a TKO, that would but it!!!), but then I realized it was Queenie writing it and decided not to waste my time.

Very wise T!

[JAB5239]

I'm so not surprised. I was going to look into this (mostly because I thought it was funny that he mentioned TKO's being due to broken eye sockets...well if there was ever a time for a TKO, that would be it!!!), but then I realized it was Queenie writing it and decided not to waste my time.

[QueensburyRules]

"Ali won a lot of his early fights on minor cuts as boxing was trying to promote him to a title shot."

I watched his fights as they happened. Instead of persisting with this BS, take a look at his record ,you will see most of the tko's he got were after he had floored his opponents and they were in bad trouble.
Queenie wrong again,Ground Hog Day once more on the History Forum!

- - Vast majority of his early fights were not nationally broadcast on terrestrial TV. U being dullard brit wouldn't understand that.

Billy Daniels had a lot to say about cuts when he started looping his shots that were rocking Clay until pulled based on a minor cut..