Sonny Liston one of the greatest

[Willie Pep 229]

Liston was HW Champion of the World. He was an ATG. Why the numbers? Always with the damn numbers. SMH

[ShoulderRoll]

What about finishing ability? Once he had his man hurt, the fight would end very soon and very violently. He had very long thick arms and I think it's impressive how accurate he was with his power punches considering that. He didn't waste much.

I suppose, although he often seemed to be bigger than most people he fought.

He did gave a good strong jab. I’ll give him that.

[Dr Z]

How is it likely he was in a fixed fight when there is no proof? People make, even the FBI made the assumption Liston fought in a fixed fight but could prove absolutely nothing. If its likely, its just as likely for every fighter in history. As far as his resume goes...you can only fight who is there to fight. Liston did that, and was dominant. You hold good old Vits Klitschko in high regard, but he didnt even fight most of the top fighters of his era and owns zero wins against a hall of fame fighters. So why Question Liston?

Come on. It is assumed the 2nd Ali fight was a tank job by the mob controlled Liston. You don't believe it was on the level,do you? Please answer yes or no. I know how you game works. And it does not work the way you want it when one questions how you play it.

Liston beat less formidable fighters compared to VK and was not poleaxed down for 60 seconds as Liston was vs a merley good fighter, nor did he lose another sub 200 pounder who was unranked. How many title fights did Liston win again? What is his record vs ring ranked opponents again? 5 opponents including Ali complained of burning eyes vs Liston. He was a fouler as stated.

[Dr Z]

I have him ranked 8th, personally.

Let us see these rankings of yours, I am curious.

[solidman]

Would have been fascinating to see Liston fight Jack Johnson. Could Liston have penetrated his defense?

[JAB5239]

Come on. It is assumed the 2nd Ali fight was a tank job by the mob controlled Liston. You don't believe it was on the level,do you? Please answer yes or no. I know how you game works. And it does not work the way you want it when one questions how you play it.

Liston beat less formidable fighters compared to VK and was not poleaxed down for 60 seconds as Liston was vs a merley good fighter, nor did he lose another sub 200 pounder who was unranked. How many title fights did Liston win again? What is his record vs ring ranked opponents again? 5 opponents including Ali complained of burning eyes vs Liston. He was a fouler as stated.

Yes. 100 percent. It was Walcott who messed up. Liston did what ALL fighter are supposed to do when they get knocked down. Assumed? Really? Lmao.

My game? What game is that exactly?

Saying Liston beat less formidable opponents is a reach. Liston is more highly regarded because he beat better opponents during his era.

Are you asking how many lineal title fights, or how many ABC trinket fights. There is a difference.

[Marchegiano]

Would have been fascinating to see Liston fight Jack Johnson. Could Liston have penetrated his defense?

Whose rules?

Pretty sure knifing is illegal by Liston's time. I can't see JJ, as JJ, translating to later eras. Giving him a unified rules based skill set is just making up a character based on JJ.

That said, Liston's punching power doesn't carry well backwards. JJ would catch most in the air and either tie up or walk back. Liston should be able to grapple Johnson on strength but JJ had a hell of a pummel game so maybe not. I don't know that Johnson was doing Judo on purpose, but he was pretty good at Judo by all accounts. I mean, if you're reading a broadside or some such and the authors describes and overhand but doesn't call it that, they just describe it. It's fair to call it an overhand regardless of if the author or puncher knew the name right? So, in that sense, Johnson does good judo.

We know Jack can pace for a fight with no scheduled end, Liston's a maybe.

I have to edge JJ during JJ's time and hard in Liston's favor during his own time.


I mean to say I think Johnson wins during his reign but it'd be a hard fight and I think Liston would absolutely smash Johnson to bit if not win by DQ early during Sonny's time.



Y'all sleeping on Marciano though. Smashes Sonny up, promise.

[Willie Pep 229]

Come on. It is assumed the 2nd Ali fight was a tank job by the mob controlled Liston. You don't believe it was on the level,do you? Please answer yes or no. I know how you game works. And it does not work the way you want it when one questions how you play it.

Liston beat less formidable fighters compared to VK and was not poleaxed down for 60 seconds as Liston was vs a merley good fighter, nor did he lose another sub 200 pounder who was unranked. How many title fights did Liston win again? What is his record vs ring ranked opponents again? 5 opponents including Ali complained of burning eyes vs Liston. He was a fouler as stated.

That's not how history works. If you think you can 'yes' and 'no' the past you are deluding yourself.

One can think without being certain.

Beside who are you to decide the 'rules of answering.'

[Willow The Wisp]

Also bigger hands, skull, probably thicker bone structure overall. But probably most importantly Liston is one of the strongest HW grapplers ever in boxing while Tyson one of the weakest. It would be man against boy in there if they were fighting in-close.

This is all very true.

[Willow The Wisp]

Liston beat less formidable fighters compared to VK and was not poleaxed down for 60 seconds as Liston was vs a merley good fighter, nor did he lose another sub 200 pounder who was unranked. How many title fights did Liston win again? What is his record vs ring ranked opponents again? 5 opponents including Ali complained of burning eyes vs Liston. He was a fouler as stated.

I think that I may have isolated your issue Doc. You refuse to reseach and qualify external input.

Liston, Williams, Folley are three who would run through VK with relative ease; each in their own way.
And if Vitali thought that Chris Byrd was somebody to quit against; I can imagine that he wouldn't even bother showing up against Eddie Machen.

Open your mind a bit; you'll be better for it.
It's worked for me. I never paint myself into a corner with my home grown ideas which are untenable. And I sure didn't just now.