Send in a fighter to destroy Mayweather Jr

[Mr Mitts]

It seems Floyd had all his toughest fights against swarming brawlers. He managed to win against them anyway, but the fights were closer than usual to the eye; I don't know what the scorecards said. That was my impression from watching.

History has lot better swarmers to offer than Castillo and Maidana, though they were pretty good.

[QueensburyRules]

I'll also add that Duran was thoroughly outboxed and dominated by Wilfred Benitez. That was a well conditioned and motivated Duran too.

Win or lose, Mayweather would be a very difficult matchup for him.

- - @154, that was Roberto where unable to secure the Leonard Trilogy, he dabbled in so he wouldn't have to make the impossible Light and Welter weights.

Benitez couldn't get by Leonard who got TFBO him by Roberto the 1st fight.

[joseph5620]

Arizmendi won the first 2, lost the next 3.

But I'm unsure why that matters. Mayweather beat Maidana twice, a 37 year old well passed his best Mayweather at that.

Arizmendi beat Armtrong in his prime, by all accounts easily, by outboxing him.

The argument doesn't work because it cancels each other out.

As for Duran, yeah sure he wasn't the best version of himself for Laing. Guess what? Neither was Mayweather when he fought, and beat, Maidana. In fact very far from it.

So that again is an argument that can't work.

I just find this to be a very strange, seemingly Mayweather specific phenomenon where when we judge H2H match ups with him we use approaching 40 year old versions vs prime versions of other ATG's. Of course the prime versions are going to win in that scenario,

I don't see this argument being used for any other fighter.

I've noticed this as well. I also noticed some people use the De la Hoya fight as proof that because De la Hoya gave Mayweather a tough fight a younger Oscar would beat him. What they are completely ignoring is the fact that Mayweather was 30 years old himself and in his fifth weight class. That was not prime Mayweather either. Clearly different standards are used for Mayweather and I don't understand why.

[QueensburyRules]

Yes, you are right. The answer is Hearns at WW. As you stated, his weakness (chin) is something Floyd didnt really take advantage of.

On the other hand, one of Mayweather's biggest assets, reach, Tommy negates. I think De La Hoya was the only opponent Mayweather had who had a longer reach than him, and May used this to his advantage. Mayweather would stand in his blade stance and combine being quicker with having greater reach to just pop his opponents and move away.

Hearns negates that reach advantage, by a lot. Mayweather is still quicker, and probably has better timing, but he would have to get inside Tommy's reach to land, and that doesnt work well with him.

- - Yup, l'l floydy for all his flaws had perfect the perfect touch punch to register on punch monkey stats like we used to run around playing our touch games.

[IronDanHamza]

I've noticed this as well. I also noticed some people use the De la Hoya fight as proof that because De la Hoya gave Mayweather a tough fight a younger Oscar would beat him. What they are completely ignoring is the fact that Mayweather was 30 years old himself and in his fifth weight class. That was not prime Mayweather either. Clearly different standards are used for Mayweather and I don't understand why.

I agree.

To be honest though I didn't think that fight with Oscar was close at all. How that was a split decision baffles me.

[billeau2]

I agree.

To be honest though I didn't think that fight with Oscar was close at all. How that was a split decision baffles me.

I agree with you and Joseph, though to me? I consider the weight class also a big factor. Floyd was simply his best at 130. Fighting at that weight he is on any top 5, on any given day and never realistically below top ten.

[joseph5620]

I agree.

To be honest though I didn't think that fight with Oscar was close at all. How that was a split decision baffles me.

I didn't either. I had it 9-3 Mayweather.

[Ctx94]

Maidana showed what nonstop pressure could achieve against Floyd , better pressure fighters,Duran and Armstrong would prove it.

It wasn’t just the pressure it was also the fact that he was a lot physically stronger than mayweather on the inside so mayweather couldn’t muscle him around like he would do other guys

Forces him to work harder because he gotta use his legs which uses more gas

When he is physically stronger than guys like manny paquiao he could just tie them up and take a break lol

[Mr Mitts]

If you counted the clinches in a Mayweather fight, you would see--the harder the fight the higher the number of clinches. That is why, despite his great talents he was somewhat of a bore to watch. He relied on the clinch as consistently as John Ruiz as a main tool. That is not pleasant to watch.

[IronDanHamza]

If you counted the clinches in a Mayweather fight, you would see--the harder the fight the higher the number of clinches. That is why, despite his great talents he was somewhat of a bore to watch. He relied on the clinch as consistently as John Ruiz as a main tool. That is not pleasant to watch.

Yeah that’s just not really true though.