Send in a fighter to destroy Mayweather Jr

[Bronson66]

I'm well aware of who Alexis Arguello is. He is in my Top 5 all time favourite fighters and I was in attendance in 1981 in London when he beat Jim Watt.

But the long and short of it there probably isn't a worst style match up for him than Mayweather at 130 lbs.

He was outboxed by both Fernandez and Ramirez, both at 135 yes (which I felt was actually his better weight any way) struggling massively with movement. That's where he struggled as fluid he is with his combinations and devastating his with his punches, particularly the right hand, his feet are slow and need to be set to let them go.

He has no chance against Mayweather, outside of a one punch KO.

Arguello's feet were too slow for him to catch Mayweather. and he sure couldn't outbox him . Ken Buchanan would give Mayweather a good fight at lightweight.

[IronDanHamza]

Prime Duran and Armstrong to beat prime Mayweather.does that answer your question? Hearns and De la Hoya have excellent chances too.

Not really, doesn't answer it outside of just your opinion, no. I don't necessarily disagree with that position, but I do disagree with the logic being used to get there.

Your argument was a 37 year old, well passed prime Mayweather was pushed close by Maidana therefore Duran and Armstrong would prove it.

I can't for the life of me grasp the logic behind that argument, and it's isn't the first time I've heard it.

Armstrong was outboxed easily in his prime by Baby Arizmendi. Does that prove Mayweather, a superior boxer would beat Armstrong?

Duran was outboxed by Kirkland Laing. Does that prove Mayweather, a superior boxer would beat Duran?

[Marchegiano]

ducking them questions that reveal bias.


I've said it before, don't **** with Iron. Dan'll get ya.

[Bronson66]

ducking them questions that reveal bias.


I've said it before, don't **** with Iron. Dan'll get ya.

I don't duck anyone.
I think a top class swarmer generally beats a top class boxer.
Arizmendi won the 1st 2 with Armstrong and lost the next 3.
Duran wasn't in shape for Laing.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't duck anyone.
I think a top class swarmer generally beats a top class boxer.
Arizmendi won the 1st 2 with Armstrong and lost the next 3.
Duran wasn't in shape for Laing.

Arizmendi won the first 2, lost the next 3.

But I'm unsure why that matters. Mayweather beat Maidana twice, a 37 year old well passed his best Mayweather at that.

Arizmendi beat Armtrong in his prime, by all accounts easily, by outboxing him.

The argument doesn't work because it cancels each other out.

As for Duran, yeah sure he wasn't the best version of himself for Laing. Guess what? Neither was Mayweather when he fought, and beat, Maidana. In fact very far from it.

So that again is an argument that can't work.

I just find this to be a very strange, seemingly Mayweather specific phenomenon where when we judge H2H match ups with him we use approaching 40 year old versions vs prime versions of other ATG's. Of course the prime versions are going to win in that scenario,

I don't see this argument being used for any other fighter.

[GhostofDempsey]

Hearns, Duran, Leonard, Robinson, Luis Rodriquez, prime Pac, Winky, Mosley @ 135, Camacho, Trinidad, a younger DLH, Crawford.

[Anomalocaris]

Arguello's feet were too slow for him to catch Mayweather. and he sure couldn't outbox him . Ken Buchanan would give Mayweather a good fight at lightweight.

Ken was a top 10 ATG at lightweight and very underrated now. I think there is a reason Duran never gave him an immediate rematch.

Roberto would have won but it would have been tough.

BTW I can now see why so many quality posters don't go in the lounge Bronson.

It has some really nasty and gutless little trolls.

[Marchegiano]

I don't duck anyone.
I think a top class swarmer generally beats a top class boxer.
Arizmendi won the 1st 2 with Armstrong and lost the next 3.
Duran wasn't in shape for Laing.

Arizmendi won the first 2, lost the next 3.

But I'm unsure why that matters. Mayweather beat Maidana twice, a 37 year old well passed his best Mayweather at that.

Arizmendi beat Armtrong in his prime, by all accounts easily, by outboxing him.

The argument doesn't work because it cancels each other out.

As for Duran, yeah sure he wasn't the best version of himself for Laing. Guess what? Neither was Mayweather when he fought, and beat, Maidana. In fact very far from it.

So that again is an argument that can't work.

I just find this to be a very strange, seemingly Mayweather specific phenomenon where when we judge H2H match ups with him we use approaching 40 year old versions vs prime versions of other ATG's. Of course the prime versions are going to win in that scenario,

I don't see this argument being used for any other fighter.

Right, not avoiding at all.

I'm still curious why something that did not work past a man's prime is meant to work during said prime.

Also, Baby had a 68 inch reach

Bobby at 66

and Armstrong at 67

Floyd don't like fighting longer armed guy. These short armed big named dudes are his specialty.

[Bronson66]

Arizmendi won the first 2, lost the next 3.

But I'm unsure why that matters. Mayweather beat Maidana twice, a 37 year old well passed his best Mayweather at that.

Arizmendi beat Armtrong in his prime, by all accounts easily, by outboxing him.

The argument doesn't work because it cancels each other out.

As for Duran, yeah sure he wasn't the best version of himself for Laing. Guess what? Neither was Mayweather when he fought, and beat, Maidana. In fact very far from it.

So that again is an argument that can't work.

I just find this to be a very strange, seemingly Mayweather specific phenomenon where when we judge H2H match ups with him we use approaching 40 year old versions vs prime versions of other ATG's. Of course the prime versions are going to win in that scenario,

I don't see this argument being used for any other fighter.

Mayweather was never out of shape Duran, frequently was.You have your opinion and ,are entitled to it I think nonstop pressure fighters like Duran and Armstrong maybe Mayweather's kryptonite.I also think a fresher version of De la Hoya has an excellent chance of beating Mayweather.
I'm not getting into a crusade about this,that's my opinion .

[IronDanHamza]

Mayweather was never out of shape Duran, frequently was.You have your opinion and ,are entitled to it I think nonstop pressure fighters like Duran and Armstrong maybe Mayweather's kryptonite.I also think a fresher version of De la Hoya has an excellent chance of beating Mayweather.
I'm not getting into a crusade about this,that's my opinion .

He wasn't out of shape but he was still no where even close to the best version of himself though, which is the point. Why compare a version of Mayweather who wasn't the best version of himself vs a prime version of someone else? It doesn't make any sense.

It's not your opinion I'm combatting, I'd probably also pick both to beat Floyd prime vs prime (in close decisions)

I'm combatting the logic. It doesn't make sense. I have no doubt Duran and Armstrong have tools to trouble Mayweather but it would have absolutely nothing to do with the fact a 37 year old Mayweather struggled with Marcos Maidana.