Does anyone still think the old time heavyweights were too small to be competitive in the modern era?

[them_apples]

Well firstly, the number 204 is higher than the number 185. So, I don't know what your point is.

Marciano beat Joe Louis well beyond his best days, so, that doesn't prove much.



What in the flying fuck are you babbling on about now, you daft twat?

"We know your stance" When have I EVER said, or even implied that "I love size" and "size wins fights"? Oh yeah, never. For you to just make that up makes you a fucking weirdo.

This is my Top 5 HW list;

Muhammad Ali - 220 lbs
Joe Louis - 215 lbs
Evander Holyfield - 220 lbs
Larry Holmes - 215 lbs
Sonny Liston - 220 lbs

Not a single "big" Heavyweight on there you dumb cunt. So what are you talking about?

You've also brought steroids into the conversation randomly, for what reason I don't know. Did you forget that you have admitted to taking TRT you moron How can you try and shame someone for using performance enhancements when you have admitted to using them yourself you retard.



Size obviously plays a factor in fights. That is obvious. You'd have to be absolutely brain dead to think otherwise. There are weight classes in boxing for a reason and there are a plethora of examples where size played a major factor in fights.

Is it the be all and end all? No, obviously not. Great skill can overcome a big size disadvantage. That's also been proven countless times.

The point here is, in this (non sensical) thread, is saying "Little" Usyk, a 6 ft 3, 225 lbs man, beating a man vastly bigger than him with his skills does NOT prove that a 185 lb man, or a man sub-200lbs could do the same.

It's very fucking simple mate. I understand you have the IQ of a loaf of bread but even for your standards I'd think it would be straight forward enough.

I’d have to be brain dead?

lets see a list of some good fighters where a man size let him take down a smaller fighter that has good ability. They obviously exist - but is it something that happens all
the time like you say?

I highly doubt it. It’s seems every weekend a smaller fighter beat a big oaf.

all the name calling I mean roid raging is coming through the screen lol

[them_apples]

Well firstly, the number 204 is higher than the number 185. So, I don't know what your point is.

Marciano beat Joe Louis well beyond his best days, so, that doesn't prove much.



What in the flying fuck are you babbling on about now, you daft twat?

"We know your stance" When have I EVER said, or even implied that "I love size" and "size wins fights"? Oh yeah, never. For you to just make that up makes you a fucking weirdo.

This is my Top 5 HW list;

Muhammad Ali - 220 lbs
Joe Louis - 215 lbs
Evander Holyfield - 220 lbs
Larry Holmes - 215 lbs
Sonny Liston - 220 lbs

Not a single "big" Heavyweight on there you dumb cunt. So what are you talking about?

You've also brought steroids into the conversation randomly, for what reason I don't know. Did you forget that you have admitted to taking TRT you moron How can you try and shame someone for using performance enhancements when you have admitted to using them yourself you retard.



Size obviously plays a factor in fights. That is obvious. You'd have to be absolutely brain dead to think otherwise. There are weight classes in boxing for a reason and there are a plethora of examples where size played a major factor in fights.

Is it the be all and end all? No, obviously not. Great skill can overcome a big size disadvantage. That's also been proven countless times.

The point here is, in this (non sensical) thread, is saying "Little" Usyk, a 6 ft 3, 225 lbs man, beating a man vastly bigger than him with his skills does NOT prove that a 185 lb man, or a man sub-200lbs could do the same.

It's very fucking simple mate. I understand you have the IQ of a loaf of bread but even for your standards I'd think it would be straight forward enough.

There are weight classes for a reason

yes and that reason is money from more titles to match make

if small fighters today changed their styles vs larger foes they would not have nearly the same problems as they do today if it were to happen

[Asmodeus]

Like the spirit of this post lol. There's always this incredible surge when a guy wins a big fight especially at heavyweight lol. I have a lot of respect for Alexander, not the least of which his charming personality.

I think he's an incredible fighter but I wouldn't push him into the ATG type heavyweight category so readily. But I saw was a really shot Fury. And I'm not going to use that as an excuse because USYK fought incredibly well and beat the best out there right now. But Fury did not look in good physical condition and just had his moments but did not look very sharp.

I think Alexander is competitive enough and skilled enough that he would be a factor in any era, but to make the jump that this means he beats up on other great heavyweights nah I don't see it...

I used to be here years ago.
wtf happened to this place?

[them_apples]

There is nothing "Porky." about Usyk.
Fury has narrow shoulders and skinny legs,he is tall , but not "exceptionally large",and I have been within a couple of feet of him .

I have nothing against small heavies,my favourite heavy is Dempsey.
Don't tell me what I think you haven't a clue.

you sound like me now

so frame and natural size matter?

I thought it was height and weight only???

this is pointless if you adopt my stance.

of course fury is built like a milk bag. Hes heavy and thin framed. Not strong at all for his weight.

you realize this now?

now look at marciano hes the opposite of that

[Mr Mitts]

I used to be here years ago.
wtf happened to this place?

There was a great purge by the new administration. Many outstanding members were banished because they were not Sunday school teachers. You even have to call a former middleweight champion Richard Tiger around this joint these days.

[Biledriver]

I used to be here years ago.
wtf happened to this place?

Things have been declining here for awhile, well before the AI overlords started banning anything that moved. Sports forums have been steadily dying since the late 2010s. Internet users have moved on from forums, just as they moved on from chat rooms in the 2000s. Nothing lasts forever on the interwebs and the worm always turns. When I came to Boxing Scene in 2006, there were probably half a dozen or more active boxing forums. What are there now? Maybe two? Does Ea stside Boxing still get traffic? I haven't been there in years, so I have no clue.

[Biledriver]

Things have been declining here for awhile, well before the AI overlords started banning anything that moved. Sports forums have been steadily dying since the late 2010s. Internet users have moved on from forums, just as they moved on from chat rooms in the 2000s. Nothing lasts forever on the interwebs and the worm always turns. When I came to Boxing Scene in 2006, there were probably half a dozen or more active boxing forums. What are there now? Maybe two? Does Ea stside Boxing still get traffic? I haven't been there in years, so I have no clue.

Why in the ever living fu ck would "Ea stside" get censored out?

[IronDanHamza]

IâÂÂd have to be brain dead?

lets see a list of some good fighters where a man size let him take down a smaller fighter that has good ability. They obviously exist - but is it something that happens all
the time like you say?

I highly doubt it. ItâÂÂs seems every weekend a smaller fighter beat a big oaf.

all the name calling I mean roid raging is coming through the screen lol

You literally addressed nothing in your post I don't even know what you're asking. Did you not read the post? Can you read? I have never once said size is even an important factor in boxing. It plays a part, obviously.

Are you paying attention? You can't try and shame someone for using performance enhancers when you have literally admitted to using them yourself.

[IronDanHamza]

There are weight classes for a reason

yes and that reason is money from more titles to match make

if small fighters today changed their styles vs larger foes they would not have nearly the same problems as they do today if it were to happen

No the reason is so it's fair.

An elite 147 fighter can't beat an elite 175 fighter. So and on and so forth. The weight disparity is too large.

You honestly need that explaining to you?

[Willie Pep 229]

Why in the ever living fu ck would "Ea stside" get censored out?

Fear that links to other forums would result in indirect posting on this forum and violate copyright laws, and the privacy of the individual third party poster.

It is why they censor not just the name but direct links to other forums as well.

I THINK!

Bat could tell us better.