Does anyone still think the old time heavyweights were too small to be competitive in the modern era?

[IronDanHamza]

What about 204, like Louis?

not sure how 184 lb Marciano beat Louis but well forget about that.

Well firstly, the number 204 is higher than the number 185. So, I don't know what your point is.

Marciano beat Joe Louis well beyond his best days, so, that doesn't prove much.

keep in mind we already know your stance. You love size and steroids. So you think size wins fights. It never does. It didnt last night.

What in the flying fuck are you babbling on about now, you daft twat?

"We know your stance" When have I EVER said, or even implied that "I love size" and "size wins fights"? Oh yeah, never. For you to just make that up makes you a fucking weirdo.

This is my Top 5 HW list;

Muhammad Ali - 220 lbs
Joe Louis - 215 lbs
Evander Holyfield - 220 lbs
Larry Holmes - 215 lbs
Sonny Liston - 220 lbs

Not a single "big" Heavyweight on there you dumb cunt. So what are you talking about?

You've also brought steroids into the conversation randomly, for what reason I don't know. Did you forget that you have admitted to taking TRT you moron How can you try and shame someone for using performance enhancements when you have admitted to using them yourself you retard.

strength can help, but size wonâÃÂÃÂt. Size makes you a big target. Makes you tired and cumbersome. Its always been about ability and other factors. Usyk isnâÃÂÃÂt just smaller than Fury heâÃÂÃÂs stronger and has better stamina. Fury just has weight.

Size obviously plays a factor in fights. That is obvious. You'd have to be absolutely brain dead to think otherwise. There are weight classes in boxing for a reason and there are a plethora of examples where size played a major factor in fights.

Is it the be all and end all? No, obviously not. Great skill can overcome a big size disadvantage. That's also been proven countless times.

The point here is, in this (non sensical) thread, is saying "Little" Usyk, a 6 ft 3, 225 lbs man, beating a man vastly bigger than him with his skills does NOT prove that a 185 lb man, or a man sub-200lbs could do the same.

It's very fucking simple mate. I understand you have the IQ of a loaf of bread but even for your standards I'd think it would be straight forward enough.

[JAB5239]

- - Joe perfected the most balanced, energy efficient footwork in history.

Only thing shorter on this board is U manhood...
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Must be a blue moon out tonight.

[Biledriver]

Must be a blue moon out tonight.

Stopped clock, two times daily and all that.....Maybe one of those 99 gin bottles failed to fall or summit

[billeau2]

This is a perpetual thread in this section. So much material has been gone over regarding this issue.

At the end of the day? The bone structure, the way one intended to prepare, all figure into the calculus of weight compared to size. I think what people can perhaps take from this constructively without going into all the rehash...

There is no primacy of the bigger heavyweights. Since they started making appearance with adequate skills some champions have been others have not. It's pretty much split.

I'm going to just assume that given that Louis at his worst weighed his most, and given how fighters intended to prepare for longer fights, with smaller gloves, etc... That Marciano, Dempsey, etc could have shown up around 200 plus.

[billeau2]

All of those guys punch harder than he does and have better wins.

usyk was afraid of wilder. got stopped by dubious and went life and death with bum chisora.
let's not pretend he's better than he is lol

Like the spirit of this post lol. There's always this incredible surge when a guy wins a big fight especially at heavyweight lol. I have a lot of respect for Alexander, not the least of which his charming personality.

I think he's an incredible fighter but I wouldn't push him into the ATG type heavyweight category so readily. But I saw was a really shot Fury. And I'm not going to use that as an excuse because USYK fought incredibly well and beat the best out there right now. But Fury did not look in good physical condition and just had his moments but did not look very sharp.

I think Alexander is competitive enough and skilled enough that he would be a factor in any era, but to make the jump that this means he beats up on other great heavyweights nah I don't see it...

[Mr Mitts]

I have been saying for years that 6'2" to 6'3" is big enough to beat any galoot. Nothing has happened yet to change my mind.

[billeau2]

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This one though, the 27 year old 247lb Tyson Fury was on another level and I would have no doubt he could go 15.

Yup... Is stamina is gone compared to what it was. He also really looked soft... I saw flashes where he landed a very smart punch now and then... Maybe USYK was able to neutralize him? Hard for me to believe he wasn't shot but I don't want to take anything away from Alexander! He fought an incredible fight for sure.

[JAB5239]

How does Fury do all time if he trains down to his best weight, that includes speed and stamina? Power is a byproduct of weight, it's deceiving. Weight doesn't determine power in my opinion. Wilder is testament to this. At his best, 220 to 225 his power was as much as when he increased in weight. Foreman, Tyson....i believe the list can go on. Speed and stamina supercede weight where it counts.

[Willie Pep 229]

I think Fury will have little fury left come Usyk II.

I think this is the end for Fury. One more big payday and goodbye.

Usyk may actually stop him this time.

Close fight for the first six rounds and then Fury fades, bad.

P.S. Of course there is the old adage, 'watch out, an old great fighter may have one great fight left in him.' E.g. Simon Brown-Terry Norris I

[IronDanHamza]

How does Fury do all time if he trains down to his best weight, that includes speed and stamina? Power is a byproduct of weight, it's deceiving. Weight doesn't determine power in my opinion. Wilder is testament to this. At his best, 220 to 225 his power was as much as when he increased in weight. Foreman, Tyson....i believe the list can go on. Speed and stamina supercede weight where it counts.

His best weight was 250 for Klitsckho.

He was never the same when he came back after being 400lbs or whatever he was.