Does anyone still think the old time heavyweights were too small to be competitive in the modern era?

[IronDanHamza]

ok cool

and is a claim that Marciano only ran 3-5 miles supposed to be better?

Let's find a middle ground here.

It's obvious during the peak of his camp he was running WAY more.

Both of the sources (the same source) say that he ran 5 miles per day on the actual training regime.

But even your source with the extended stuff still claims for most of his camp he ran 5 miles per day.

Not, the 15 miles per day, every day of training camp like you attempted to claim.

[them_apples]

Ok so I'll break this down for you as if I'm explaining it to a child so it may help you understand;

Your claim is, that Rocky Marciano ran 15 miles a day during training camp, and, 5 miles a day when he wasn't in training camp.

That is your claim.

The source you have provided has claimed that he would "sometimes even up to 12-15 miles during his last week of training"

So the source you have provided, does not support your claim, of, "during training camp he runs 15 miles per day"

You made that up. Unless you can provide a source that claims he ran 15 miles per day throughout his entire training camp.




Yes, I don't think that is breaking news.



No, no.

Bronson source said this;

"Each day for a month, Marciano has got up at 7 a.m. He then has a cup of tea (sugar and lemon) and usually runs between three and five miles.

At 8:30, it is a breakfast of fruit, cereal, two soft-boiled eggs, lamb chops, toast, and more tea.

He walks and naps until noon, when he has some tea.

Then he naps until his big workout at 3 p.m. After 4:30 he naps until dinner time at 5:30; after which he walks, plays ping pong, reads, or listens to the radio. At 8:30 he may have an apple or pear, and goes to bed"


And your source, said this;

• 7 am: Wake up, drink tea with sugar and lemon, and run 5 miles (9km)
• 8:30 am: Breakfast includes fruit, cereal, two soft-boiled eggs, lamb chops, toast, and tea.
• 10 am: Short walk and nap
• 12 pm: another short nap before his workout
• 3 pm: Boxing workout, including push-ups, pull-ups, and other calisthenics exercises
• 4:30 pm: Another short nap before dinner
• 5 pm: Dinner including steak, green vegetables, and olive oil dressing
• 7 pm: Walk, ping pong, reading or listening to the radio
• 8:30 pm: An apple or a pear, and then time for bed

Are you seeing it? THEY ARE THE THE EXACT SAME

The same one you just tried to downplay, your source was the exact same one. Just with some added claims outside of the actual training routine provided.

Which, do not support what you've claimed anyway.
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also, while you are insulting me

can you please find where I said throughout his entire training camp? I don't recall saying it was his entire camp. if I did it was a mistake. I always knew it was the peak.

"This is NOT during camp. This is all year around. During the peak of camp he cranked it up

find another fighter who trains all year around​"

I found my post, maybe I posted somewhere else?

There are other sources though, like the 5 miles a day throughout the year I can source, just have to dig it up. as well as 10 miles throughout camp shouldn't be hard to find either. even though I didn't even claim this.

[IronDanHamza]

also, while you are insulting me

can you please find where I said throughout his entire training camp? I don't recall saying it was his entire camp. if I did it was a mistake. I always knew it was the peak.

"This is NOT during camp. This is all year around. During the peak of camp he cranked it up

find another fighter who trains all year aroundâÂÂ"

I found my post, maybe I posted somewhere else?

So now you are saying that he didn't run 15 miles per day during camp and 5 when not in camp?

Despite the fact your own source clearly states that for most of his camp he ran 5 miles per day?

There are other sources though, like the 5 miles a day throughout the year I can source, just have to dig it up. as well as 10 miles throughout camp shouldn't be hard to find either. even though I didn't even claim this.

Go on then, source them.

While you're at it source that he threw 100-120 punches per round

And source that he wasn't fat in retirement at 255 lbs despite the fact he was obese

[them_apples]

So now you are saying that he didn't run 15 miles per day during camp and 5 when not in camp?

Despite the fact your own source clearly states that for most of his camp he ran 5 miles per day?​



Go on then, source them.

While you're at it source that he threw 100-120 punches per round

And source that he wasn't fat in retirement at 255 lbs despite the fact he was obese

I didn't say he ran 15 miles the entire camp. wasn't his camp like 3-4 months long? (or something absurd)

I said he was running 12-15 miles per day IN camp.

sure I could narrow it down to the peak of camp, but you are grasping at straws. this isn't worth an argument. What do you want me to say?

Bronson goes and posts the one part he likes: Marciano ran 3-5 miles a day in during camp. And he left it at that. That would be a very misleading bit of information, to only post his workouts at the beginning of camp.

As for Sourcing the punches. I counted myself. I know in some rounds against ****ell he threw 130+ punches. Go count yourself.

As for Rock being 255, he was husky and heavy, fat. Not obese though.

[IronDanHamza]

I didn't say he ran 15 miles the entire camp. wasn't his camp like 3-4 months long? (or something absurd)

I said he was running 12-15 miles per day IN camp.

sure I could narrow it down to the peak of camp, but you are grasping at straws. this isn't worth an argument. What do you want me to say?

Bronson goes and posts the one part he likes: Marciano ran 3-5 miles a day in during camp. And he left it at that.

Ok so why did you respond to his source (the same one you posted) by differntiating training camp to not being in training camp?

You claimed that the 5 miles per day was not during camp. When your own source confirms that it in fact was exactly that.

You said he was "working himself to exhaustion every day" during training camp.

You also said this;

"when people say he is 187 and too small I laugh at this notion because his light weight is a product of his training.

who in any world is 240 lbs while running 12-15 miles in boots every morning, on top of a whole days work of training"

So you were clearly, at best, heavily implying that during training camp he runs 12-15 miles every day.

You are now backtracking on that because your lies and exaggerations have tied you into a web.


The fact of the matter is, your own source clearly states that for the majority of his camp he was running 5 miles per day, not 15.

[them_apples]

Ok so why did you respond to his source (the same one you posted) by differntiating training camp to not being in training camp?

You claimed that the 5 miles per day was not during camp. When your own source confirms that it in fact was exactly that.

You said he was "working himself to exhaustion every day" during training camp.

You also said this;

"when people say he is 187 and too small I laugh at this notion because his light weight is a product of his training.

who in any world is 240 lbs while running 12-15 miles in boots every morning, on top of a whole days work of training"

So you were clearly, at best, heavily implying that during training camp he runs 12-15 miles every day.

You are now backtracking on that because your lies and exaggerations have tied you into a web.


The fact of the matter is, your own source clearly states that for the majority of his camp he was running 5 miles per day, not 15. ​

once again, does not say the entire camp. he WAS running 15 miles by the time he stepped into the ring though. that is a fact. and the most important one.

Whats even better, I bet I CAN source some more vigorous training stuff by Marciano, just not this very second.

Bronson is exaggerating himself, just the other direction

We went from Marciano only running 3-5 miles during camp - 0 mention that he ramped it up to 15 miles. That is a pretty MASSIVE thing to leave out don't you think???

The implication at best is I claimed he ran 15 miles a little longer than the article states. This is better than the misinformed manipulated post Bronson was making. As if 3-5 Miles was all Marciano ever did. EVERY boxer ramps up during camp.

[IronDanHamza]

once again, does not say the entire camp. he WAS running 15 miles by the time he stepped into the ring though. that is a fact. and the most important one.

Whats even better, I bet I CAN source some more vigorous training stuff by Marciano, just not this very second.

Bronson is exaggerating himself, just the other direction

We went from Marciano only running 3-5 miles during camp - 0 mention that he ramped it up to 15 miles. That is a pretty MASSIVE thing to leave out don't you think???

The implication at best is I claimed he ran 15 miles a little longer than the article states. This is better than the misinformed manipulated post Bronson was making. As if 3-5 Miles was all Marciano ever did. EVERY boxer ramps up during camp.

Ok but what you're not understanding is your source says that he "sometimes" would "up it to 12-15 miles" in the last week. When you implied it was for the whole or at the very least most of the camp when you said "who in any world is 240 lbs while running 12-15 miles in boots every morning, on top of a whole days work of training"

You keep attempting to tap dance around these things but it's not going to wash.

Bronson posted a source that said he ran 5 miles a day. It's the exact same regime you posted yourself in your link. Just yours had extra claims in it, his didn't.

So Bronson didn't "leave out" anything whereas you have attempted to add your own made up claims in numerous times now.

[them_apples]

Ok but what you're not understanding is your source says that he "sometimes" would "up it to 12-15 miles" in the last week. When you implied it was for the whole or at the very least most of the camp when you said "who in any world is 240 lbs while running 12-15 miles in boots every morning, on top of a whole days work of training"

You keep attempting to tap dance around these things but it's not going to wash.

Bronson posted a source that said he ran 5 miles a day. It's the exact same regime you posted yourself in your link. Just yours had extra claims in it, his didn't.

So Bronson didn't "leave out" anything whereas you have attempted to add your own made up claims in numerous times now.​

ok then, the truth of the matter is this:

I exaggerated by making a lazy claim he ran 15 miles per day in camp. When in reality, he started at 5 - and ramped it up to 15 at the very peak. I am filling in the blanks and saying he likely went from 5-7-10-15 and finished at 15.

But where YOU and Bronson are wrong, is you were making it out like all Marciano did for training was run 5 miles a day, and in bronsons case - 3-5 miles a day. THIS is VERY misleading to leave out his peak of camp endurance and is downright lying.

[IronDanHamza]

As for Sourcing the punches. I counted myself. I know in some rounds against ****ell he threw 130+ punches. Go count yourself.

130+ punches per round...Really? You are aware that that is approaching 1 punch per second?

Please provide these rounds where he threw over 130 punches in vs Don Cockell.

As for Rock being 255, he was husky and heavy, fat. Not obese though.

Well, you claimed he wasn't fat.

Now you are saying he was fat. So which one is it? Was he fat or not?

News flash - He WAS fat. Very fat actually.

[them_apples]

130+ punches per round...Really? You are aware that that is approaching 1 punch per second?

Please provide these rounds where he threw over 130 punches in vs Don Cockell.



Well, you claimed he wasn't fat.

Now you are saying he was fat. So which one is it? Was he fat or not?

News flash - He WAS fat. Very fat actually.

he threw 116 punches in the 8th round with Don ****ell. I said 130, but was wrong, but 116 is still an absurdly high number. please have a look for yourself.

This might be the record, esp considering they were full on punches. I am sure a guy like Greb threw more.