Does anyone still think the old time heavyweights were too small to be competitive in the modern era?

[Bronson66]

but 185 lb Rock Totally out muscled the same 204 lb man.

Now lets just say it's not a fact that Marciano can compete. but do you not see that it isn't absurd to at least give him a chance? to not totally write him off?

Do you believe a185lbs, 5ft 10" man,with a 68 " reach could outmuscle a modern sized heavyweight?
A Joshua 6'6" 250lbs 82 "
A Bakole 6'6" 280lbs 80"
A Dubois 6'5" 245lbs 78 "
A Zhang 6'6" 280/290lbs 80"

If a 41 years old man weighing188lbs can floor Rocky,[and lets be honest he is what all your posts about size are about,] and make him black out for a couple of seconds, how do you think he would react if he was his solidly by one of the above?

Apart from the size disparity,there is the style factor,Marciano was not fast and his defence was not the best,and his MO was one dimensional,because of his stature he had to get inside,once there ,how would he be effective against men up to 80/90lbs heavier?
We all saw what Wlad did to Povetkin a man a lot bigger than Rocky he smothered him and used his size to lay all over him and tire him out.And Povetkin is 6'2"and was 225lbs.
Marciano was badly marked up against old Louis' jab,what would his cut prone facial tissue look like after 4/5rds colliding with those named jabs?
You can reasonably say,well Rocky would have more stamina than those giants,but that pre supposes he would be able to weather the sort of punishment they would be capable of inflicting on him early on.
In my opinion stamina would not be an issue because he would be stopped long before it could ever become one.
This takes nothing away from Marciano as a fighter,in the same way that picking Sonny Liston to beat Ray Robinson in no way detracts from Robinson's greatness.
P4P Marciano is a greater fighter than the 4 I selected as examples of size winning the day ,but that is not and never has been the issue .
David Haye over came the giant Valuev,but he did it with speed ,movement and changing his angles of attack,he did not advance doggedly all night taking punches to land his own and Valuev was no puncher despite his size .
Haye was also 6'3" 217lbs with a 78" reach and could ****,his strategy won for him because he was fundamentally superior to Valuev ,and big enough himself to overcome the size disparity.
Haye then defended against a couple of patsies Harrison and Ruiz , then found himself out of his depth against Wlad ,a man appreciably smaller than Valuev,but a man who had 3 times the skill of the giant and could hit like a truck.

I'd give Dempsey a lot more chance against modern heavies than I would Rocky,simply because he was more elusive with is bob and weave .quicker into attack ,had more range , faster hands,plus his skin was a lot tougher.

[Anomalocaris]

Do you believe a185lbs 5ft 10 man,with a 68 " reach could outmuscle a modern sized heavyweight?
A Joshua 6'6"250lbs 82 " ?
A Bakole?
A Dubois 6' 5"245lbs 78 "
A Zhang? 6'6"280/290lbs 80"?

If one highly trained athlete is 60+ pounds heavier than another highly trained athlete I know who my money would be on.

[IronDanHamza]

well Hagler did spar heavyweights. I doubt they were beating the **** out of him

Hagler won't beat Joe Louis or Ali, but Dubois isn't very good. I wouldn't be totally sold on him ****ing up Hagler.

You are totally out of touch with reality I’m afraid

[Bundana]

but 185 lb Rock Totally out muscled the same 204 lb man.

Now lets just say it's not a fact that Marciano can compete. but do you not see that it isn't absurd to at least give him a chance? to not totally write him off?

WHAT?? So you're going from Marciano would sleep everybody... to how it would be absurd to not at least give him a chance. Coming from you, that's quite a surprise!

Does this mean, that in the future we can expect your contributions here to be more honest/realistic... or is there no change to your overall modern-bashing?

[ShoulderRoll]

I disagree both the brothers and a prime Fury were very skilled.

Usyk whilst not a true super-heavy is absolutely superb.

But Usyk is a small heavyweight. Not a skilled big man like we’re talking about.

[them_apples]

Do you believe a185lbs, 5ft 10" man,with a 68 " reach could outmuscle a modern sized heavyweight?
A Joshua 6'6" 250lbs 82 "
A Bakole 6'6" 280lbs 80"
A Dubois 6'5" 245lbs 78 "
A Zhang 6'6" 280/290lbs 80"

If a 41 years old man weighing188lbs can floor Rocky,[and lets be honest he is what all your posts about size are about,] and make him black out for a couple of seconds, how do you think he would react if he was his solidly by one of the above?

Apart from the size disparity,there is the style factor,Marciano was not fast and his defence was not the best,and his MO was one dimensional,because of his stature he had to get inside,once there ,how would he be effective against men up to 80/90lbs heavier?
We all saw what Wlad did to Povetkin a man a lot bigger than Rocky he smothered him and used his size to lay all over him and tire him out.And Povetkin is 6'2"and was 225lbs.
Marciano was badly marked up against old Louis' jab,what would his cut prone facial tissue look like after 4/5rds colliding with those named jabs?
You can reasonably say,well Rocky would have more stamina than those giants,but that pre supposes he would be able to weather the sort of punishment they would be capable of inflicting on him early on.
In my opinion stamina would not be an issue because he would be stopped long before it could ever become one.
This takes nothing away from Marciano as a fighter,in the same way that picking Sonny Liston to beat Ray Robinson in no way detracts from Robinson's greatness.
P4P Marciano is a greater fighter than the 4 I selected as examples of size winning the day ,but that is not and never has been the issue .
David Haye over came the giant Valuev,but he did it with speed ,movement and changing his angles of attack,he did not advance doggedly all night taking punches to land his own and Valuev was no puncher despite his size .
Haye was also 6'3" 217lbs with a 78" reach and could ****,his strategy won for him because he was fundamentally superior to Valuev ,and big enough himself to overcome the size disparity.
Haye then defended against a couple of patsies Harrison and Ruiz , then found himself out of his depth against Wlad ,a man appreciably smaller than Valuev,but a man who had 3 times the skill of the giant and could hit like a truck.

I'd give Dempsey a lot more chance against modern heavies than I would Rocky,simply because he was more elusive with is bob and weave .quicker into attack ,had more range , faster hands,plus his skin was a lot tougher.

Forget it then. Marciano is too weak because heā€™s not heavy enough. Maybe if he bulked up he would have a chance.

[them_apples]

WHAT?? So you're going from Marciano would sleep everybody... to how it would be absurd to not at least give him a chance. Coming from you, that's quite a surprise!

Does this mean, that in the future we can expect your contributions here to be more honest/realistic... or is there no change to your overall modern-bashing?

I was compromising with him

I think Marciano would knock Usyk out. I donā€™t think Usyk can hold him off. I donā€™t think usyks style of defense would work. Marciano would target his arms. This is just my opinion though. There are some who think because Marciano is 187 lbs heā€™s not heavy enough. So fair enough

[them_apples]

Honestly, I am gonna hold off on my size comparisons until I get back in the ring and test out my new fitness vs larger heavier fighters. If I find I can strategize to beat them - then I will lean further to the right - if I find the weight and size is too much to overcome perhaps I will rethink my choices and side with the left

[IronDanHamza]

But Usyk is a small heavyweight. Not a skilled big man like we’re talking about.

How is a 6 FT 3, 226 LB man a "small heavyweight"???????

Page 28 and you're still saying Usyk is a small Heavyweight which was debunked in this thread in the FIRST POST.

Does your brain actually work? I feel like the comprehension part of your brain just simply doesn't work. Were you dropped on your head as a child or were you just born this painfully dumb?

[IronDanHamza]

I was compromising with him

I think Marciano would knock Usyk out. I donāt think Usyk can hold him off. I donāt think usyks style of defense would work. Marciano would target his arms. This is just my opinion though. There are some who think because Marciano is 187 lbs heās not heavy enough. So fair enough

Usyk would beat the living daylights out of Marciano.