Pacquiao - Measured against all time.

[IronDanHamza]

Lol you have the audacity to claim that I'm using 'revisionist history' and then go on to claim that 'Thurman WASN'T a champion' when in fact Manny stripped him of his WBA belt (look it up) and say he wasn't a puncher when he knocked out 22/29 opponents (76% KO ratio) when Manny stepped in the ring with him. Sorry but Keith Thurman was a well known KO artist in his prime and was heavily avoided for that reason (even if his KO streak ended when he faced the best fighter's in the division - ditto for Spence who ALSO failed to stop Garcia & Porter).

Anyhow, I'm glad you at least acknowledge that Pacquiao is one of the greatest fighter's that ever lived and probably the best p4p fighter since Roberto Duran. That's something we can both agree on!

Ok so I stand corrected on him being Champion as it was the WBC he was stripped of for inactivity not the WBA so that's fair enough.

As for him being a KO artist, he's just simply not. What is his KO ratio vs ranked opponents? Less than 10% I believe, which is NOT a KO artist. A KO artist isn't knocking out unranked journeyman, if that were the case then there would be thousands of KO artists.

How many knockdowns does Keith Thurman even have vs ranked opponents? I think 5 total off the top of my head. That's not a big puncher, I'm sorry. He had decent power at the top level, at best.

He wasnt "heavily avoided" either. Who avoided him? Pauli Maligaggi? At that point in his career it was Thurman doing the very clear avoiding.

And you are revising history. Manny Pacquaio was the betting favourite to win that fight. You are falsely acting like he was taking some massive risk against some current monster who no one wanted to fight which is just patently false. He fought a very good fighter yes, who hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in years and was coming off a terrible performance where he almost lost to another unranked opponent. That's just the facts of the matter.

[IronDanHamza]

Thurman was a fighter that your man crush Floyd legitly avoided, thats why you trying to downplay him.

Again even if that were the case that timeline was in 2014.

This fight happened in 2019 5 years later so it's totally irrelevant.

Pacquaio had no interest in fighting Thurman in 2014 either.

[HisExcellency]

Ok so I stand corrected on him being Champion as it was the WBC he was stripped of for inactivity not the WBA so that's fair enough.

As for him being a KO artist, he's just simply not. What is his KO ratio vs ranked opponents? Less than 10% I believe, which is NOT a KO artist. A KO artist isn't knocking out unranked journeyman, if that were the case then there would be thousands of KO artists.

How many knockdowns does Keith Thurman even have vs ranked opponents? I think 5 total off the top of my head. That's not a big puncher, I'm sorry. He had decent power at the top level, at best.

He wasnt "heavily avoided" either. Who avoided him? Pauli Maligaggi? At that point in his career it was Thurman doing the very clear avoiding.

And you are revising history. Manny Pacquaio was the betting favourite to win that fight. You are falsely acting like he was taking some massive risk against some current monster who no one wanted to fight which is just patently false. He fought a very good fighter yes, who hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in years and was coming off a terrible performance where he almost lost to another unranked opponent. That's just the facts of the matter.

OK man believe whatever you want…at the end of the day, if you were to create a post saying ‘was Keith Thurman avoided in his prime and considered a KO artist?’ I’d be SHOCKED if at least 75% of respondents didn’t say ‘hell yes!’.

Now you can dissect and critique his resume all you like but the FACT of the matter is he had a 76% KO ratio heading into the Pacquiao fight and was an undefeated champion so was obviously a risky fight for 40yo Pacman who’d already been stopped several times in his career.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one!

[IronDanHamza]

OK man believe whatever you want…at the end of the day, if you were to create a post saying ‘was Keith Thurman avoided in his prime and considered a KO artist?’ I’d be SHOCKED if at least 75% of respondents didn’t say ‘hell yes!’.

I don't really care what other people have to say. I care about the actual facts, which are, his KO% vs ranked fighters is very low. Which is why he's not a KO artist.

Having a high KO% doesn't mean anything when it's against unranked opposition.

Ali Raymi had a 100% KO ratio. But who was it against?

In Adrien Broner's first 26 fights he had 22 KO's. 84%, is Adrien Broner a KO artist?

You can list a plethora of fighters who aren't even big punchers that have a high KO% against unranked fighters. It means nothing.

Keith Thurman is not a KO artist. It's just as simple as that. He's barely even rocked ranked opposition, let alone dropped them and let alone stopped them.

Now you can dissect and critique his resume all you like but the FACT of the matter is he had a 76% KO ratio heading into the Pacquiao fight and was an undefeated champion so was obviously a risky fight for 40yo Pacman who’d already been stopped several times in his career.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one!

Where have I dissected and critiqued his resume? Not once

I've simply refuted your revisionist history that when Pacquaio fought Thurman he was some avoided monster and KO artist when he frankly wasn't. If he was that, he wouldn't have been the favourite to win. Unlike when he was scheduled to fight Spence and he was a massive underdog.

And I didn't say it wasn't a risky fight, obviously it was but it's not some legacy building fight that secures a Top 5 ATG position. It's a good solid win and nothing more.

[billeau2]

- - Langford and Wills were fighting for peanuts and so many times they became exhibitions to bring out the rubes to see 2 legends.

BALCO Juan was turning down multiple record purse$. No bother to Manny as contenders were massing in lines for career paychecks.

It's like you simply don't know how boxing works.

It's like u make a ridiculous statement and will say anything to try to justify it almost like you're a drunk idiot... Coincidence? Conspiracy? Marquez was not a ducker and he fought pack many times, get it through your skull lad. there's no justifying a statement to the contrary

[djtmal]

Again even if that were the case that timeline was in 2014.

gtfoh...

to downplay pacquaio's great win @ ww, you tried to paint a picture that thurman was always a light hitting prospect that was ducking errol spence, when the truth is he owned 2 of the 4 belts and called out your boy floyd with regularity

thurman was 29-0 22 kos, 30 yrs old held two of the titles, in his prime, and a natural ww, not one of those blown up lightweights your boy floyd was trying to pull up in one fight

[djtmal]

He wasnt "heavily avoided" either. Who avoided him? Pauli Maligaggi? At that point in his career it was Thurman doing the very clear avoiding.

He called out Pauli yes. Broner as well. Marcos Madonna backed out of a fight with him. Same c fighter your crush Floyd needed two fights with.

[QueensburyRules]

It's like u make a ridiculous statement and will say anything to try to justify it almost like you're a drunk idiot... Coincidence? Conspiracy? Marquez was not a ducker and he fought pack many times, get it through your skull lad. there's no justifying a statement to the contrary

- - BALCOJuan not only ducked Manny many times in between his overseers forcing him to fight Manny, he need 2 BALCO fights to cop a 1-2-1 record vs Manny. He ducked the 5th fight in Mexico City fight for a career purse.

Y?

Mexicans like Manny more than ducker Marquez for obvious reasons dumbos will never understand...see low IQ definition...

[JAB5239]

- - BALCOJuan not only ducked Manny many times in between his overseers forcing him to fight Manny, he need 2 BALCO fights to cop a 1-2-1 record vs Manny. He ducked the 5th fight in Mexico City fight for a career purse.

Y?

Mexicans like Manny more than ducker Marquez for obvious reasons dumbos will never understand...see low IQ definition...

The way you degrade great fighters and insinuate they (Marquez) have illegally used PED'is pathetic. Why can't you just stick to the facts?

[QueensburyRules]

The way you degrade great fighters and insinuate they (Marquez) have illegally used PED'is pathetic. Why can't you just stick to the facts?

- - Facts hurt dumbos, but Manny needed 2 BALCO trainer fights before he could notch his first win against Manny...just da facts, ma'am...