Book that puts Max Baer in a dubious light

[billeau2]

Can I just concur with you, I suppose every person involved with Max is long dead now. He was champion in between the wars. I can't see it selling too well as most people alive haven't even heard of him let alone want to hear stuff except people like us!
I suppose we can see all angles of a person's life and not just good or bad. Like I love watching bill maher but I would be rep******* in an elect!on!!!

yeah... I am sus pici ous of this. I mean anyone who knows me on these boards can probably vouch that I have an open mind... I will listen to anyone. But, listening and accepting information... two distinct things. Im curious.

[Biledriver]

yeah... I am sus pici ous of this. I mean anyone who knows me on these boards can probably vouch that I have an open mind... I will listen to anyone. But, listening and accepting information... two distinct things. Im curious.

More to the point, you're not an as shole about non-excepting what people assert to you. That's a HUGE difference from most posters. This website is going kaput soon anyway so it doesn't matter if I say this: We go back years, and we've not agreed on everything, not by a long shot. But you've never been a di ck to me about things we've disagreed on. That being said, while I think new allegations towards Baer are plausible and COULD be true, coming literally decades after he died raises red flags with me and need to be backed up by serious evidence.

[QueensburyRules]

Spoken like an abuser of women.

- - Telling it like it is. Many of young man is in prison or an ex-con by dint of messing with the wrong women just like plenty of women unnecessarily are ****d and beat up by messing with the wrong man.

Barkeeps and other n'er do wells esp good at slipping Micky Finns to women...

[billeau2]

More to the point, you're not an as shole about non-excepting what people assert to you. That's a HUGE difference from most posters. This website is going kaput soon anyway so it doesn't matter if I say this: We go back years, and we've not agreed on everything, not by a long shot. But you've never been a di ck to me about things we've disagreed on. That being said, while I think new allegations towards Baer are plausible and COULD be true, coming literally decades after he died raises red flags with me and need to be backed up by serious evidence.

Thank you for your understanding. I would tend to have more initial sympathy for a writer who rose to champion an injustice. There was fairly recently, a very well written book that was sympathetic to liston and in my opinion this was past due lol.

[Biledriver]

Thank you for your understanding. I would tend to have more initial sympathy for a writer who rose to champion an injustice. There was fairly recently, a very well written book that was sympathetic to liston and in my opinion this was past due lol.

Agreed. Saw a documentary on Liston years ago and thought then he hadn't been given a fair shake. The bullshi t Howard Cosell wrote about him didn't help.

[Engine512]

Lets face facts. Max Baer was not the nicest man in the world, but was he a stone cold killer. No. I am sure he wanted to win every fight badly, and he fought hard you know. Fighters need to accept the risks associated with professional boxing, and that is what it comes down to. I thought about writing a book about the Joey Gamache Vs Arturo Gatti fight because I thought Arturo Gatti got a really bad rap for the weigh in fiasco because the New York State Athletic Commission gave both Gatti, and De La Hoya free passes at the scales because the commissioners feared riots in the fallout of the trial of 3 police officers accused of shooting an unarmed black man 47 times.

No Gatti didn't kill Gamache, and Gamache after several minutes got up, and demanded to walk off like a man, but anybody who knows boxing knows Gatti would have put on all that weight irregardless of what he weighed that day at the scales, and that is kind of the way the judge at the Gamache trial saw it. I never went forth with the book because a non heavyweight book does not garner a lot of popularity.

[Willie Pep 229]

Never trust a biography. About anyone, ever. All are written with an agenda. Some more honorable than others, but there is always bias in both research and presentation, even if the historian fools himself into believing there isn't.

[QueensburyRules]

Never trust a biography. About anyone, ever. All are written with an agenda. Some more honorable than others, but there is always bias in both research and presentation, even if the historian fools himself into believing there isn't.

- - The agenda is to write a bio with the credibility of the product being that of the author. Some authors are more credible than other political agendas or mickeymouse efforts...

Nobody would ever accuse Max of being a saint, but on balance he was a standup guy and something of a comedian who was miscast as a fighter when he was more oriented to showbiz is my take.

[billeau2]

- - The agenda is to write a bio with the credibility of the product being that of the author. Some authors are more credible than other political agendas or mickeymouse efforts...

Nobody would ever accuse Max of being a saint, but on balance he was a standup guy and something of a comedian who was miscast as a fighter when he was more oriented to showbiz is my take.

Some people are blessed with talents that they know not what to do with. Maxie would have been more than happy to e a movie star. Ray Robinson? wanted to be a dancer, but could never make it as such lol.

[joseph5620]

The Joe Louis autobiography, "Joe Louis, My life" portrayed Baer in a very unflattetring way. Certainly not a good person according to Joe Louis. That makes me very curious and wanting to read this book.