Top 20 heavyweights all time

[The D3vil]

He wasn't caught at all, he was accused. And he admitted to it after the fact. Regardless it's irrelevant, he admitted to it. Evander Holyfield hasn't. It's that simple.

To the second point, no, not really. Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquaio were extremely famous in their peak. Has anyone come out against them?

Usian Bolt?

Mo Farah?

Cristiano Ronaldo?

You could spend a day on this fallacious argument. Being famous isn't an argument for not being on PEDs, it's a total none argument and doesn't prove, or even suggest innocence in any way what so ever.

None of those athletes had their doctors caught slanging steroids to everybody with their name in his logs as a part of a drug program by ESPN.

[IronDanHamza]

With the exception that ESPN caught Holyfield's doctor who had Holyfield's information and Holyfield answered the damn phone when they called him using the number the steroid doctor had for him.

But okay, let's pretend that's exactly the same as random idiots on the internet making fake accusations.

No I'm well aware that Holyfield's very suspect.

I'm explaining to you that that doesn't actually prove that he took anything. We don't know what he took, if he did.

[IronDanHamza]

None of those athletes had their doctors caught slanging steroids to everybody with their name in his logs as a part of a drug program by ESPN.

Right, but it's besides the point though isn't it.

You are using the fact that he's famous as some kind of evidence that he couldn't have been using PED's which is an extremely bad, none argument.

Those are just a few examples as to why, and you could make a day of it really.

[Biledriver]

Mike Tyson bigger than all of them.

You don't remember.

Just say that.

Maradona wasn't that famous in America. Soccer's not popular here.

Hockey's only popular in a few Northern countries

Magic & Jordan were close here, but Jordan's greatest fame came in the '90s. The NBA hadn't expanded around the world yet in the '80s

The heavyweight champion of boxing used to be the most famous athlete in the world because boxing was popular in every region of the world

Hey Nudnick: You said "the most famous athlete in the world". Last time I checked, the US doesn't constitute "the world". During the late '80s and early '90s Diego Maradona was the most famous athlete in the WORLD (as in not the just US), and was known in places that didn't know Tyson from Adam. While soccer may not be particularly popular in the US, it's the biggest sport in the rest of the world (which outnumbers the US in population by about 4 billion to 300 million). Btw: I was an adult when Tyson was just an up and comer. So I DO, in fact, remember back then, and you are, in fact, talking out of your ass because you're a stan. A fan-boi. A nuthugger. It's people like you overrating Tyson like f* ck that's the reason that Tyson is now criminally underrated. The inevitable backlash to people like you acting like a sixteen-year-old gurl over your man-crush. Ps. The Heavyweight champion hasn't been the most famous athlete in the world since Ali.....and that's because he transcended boxing. Boxing was a niche sport in the US by the 1980s and an even bigger niche sport in the rest of the world. Sorry to bust your juvenile puppy love, Junior.

[The D3vil]

Right, but it's besides the point though isn't it.

You are using the fact that he's famous as some kind of evidence that he couldn't have been using PED's which is an extremely bad, none argument.

Those are just a few examples as to why, and you could make a day of it really.

I didn't say he couldn't have been using.

I said that there's a big difference between having a hunch somebody's using (Tyson) versus literally having the person be caught being the client of a steroid doctor in an investigation by ESPN, who had all of their information on them (Holyfield).

Big difference.

[The D3vil]

Hey Nudnick: You said "the most famous athlete in the world". Last time I checked, the US doesn't constitute "the world". During the late '80s and early '90s Diego Maradona was the most famous athlete in the WORLD (as in not the just US), and was known in places that didn't know Tyson from Adam. While soccer may not be particularly popular in the US, it's the biggest sport in the rest of the world (which outnumbers the US in population by about 4 billion to 300 million). Btw: I was an adult when Tyson was just an upping comer. So I DO, in fact, remember back then, and you are, in fact, talking out of your ass because you're a stan. A fan-boi. A nuthugger. It's people like you overrating Tyson like f* ck that's the reason that Tyson is now criminally underrated. The inevitable backlash to people like you acting like a sixteen-year-old gurl over your man-crush. Ps. The Heavyweight champion hasn't been the most famous athlete in the world since Ali.....and that's because he transcended boxing. Boxing was a niche sport in the US by the 1980s and an even bigger niche sport in the rest of the world. Sorry to bust your juvenile puppy love, Junior.

Guy, the US is the biggest market in the world. PERIOD.

That's why all those other athletes try to come to America to try to make money.

Why is Messi playing here?

Because we are the world's juggernaut.

Yes, I agree, soccer is huge in most of the countries of the world, but it is completely irrelevant in the richest, most powerful country in the world, so no, I can't consider Diego Maradona that.

Boxing was huge on every continent.

Muhammad Ali was an icon in Africa, Asia, Africa, Europe, and everywhere else

That's why he fought Foreman in Africa, Frazier in Asia, and tons of guys in England and Germany.

Tyson was a world wide phenom, that's why he sold out houses in France, Denmark, Scotland, and Japan

PLUS, they could sell out in the world's biggest market.

[Bronson66]

Guy, the US is the biggest market in the world. PERIOD.

That's why all those other athletes try to come to America to try to make money.

Why is Messi playing here?

Because we are the world's juggernaut.

Yes, I agree, soccer is huge in most of the countries of the world, but it is completely irrelevant in the richest, most powerful country in the world, so no, I can't consider Diego Maradona that.

Boxing was huge on every continent.

Muhammad Ali was an icon in Africa, Asia, Africa, Europe, and everywhere else

That's why he fought Foreman in Africa, Frazier in Asia, and tons of guys in England and Germany.

Tyson was a world wide phenom, that's why he sold out houses in France, Denmark, Scotland, and Japan

PLUS, they could sell out in the world's biggest market.

Messi is in the US because he is finished at world level at 37[tomorrow ]he is now on his pension plan. The same as Best,and Beckham,Pele did.
Tyson only fought in the Uk when he was past it and in need of $$$$

Ali's fight in Germany was a financial disaster.Ali bought $ 100, 000 worth of tickets and gave them to US servicemen.

Boxing wasn't and isn't huge in Africa the only reason Ali fought inZaire was because MoButu underwrote the purses to try and give a positive image to his reign of murder.




Gretsky ,Jordan,Johnson? Their names mean almost nothing in Europe.

[Biledriver]

Messi is in the US because he is finished at world level at 37[tomorrow ]he is now on his pension plan. The same as Best,and Beckham,Pele did Tyson only fought in the Uk whe n he was past it and in need of $$$$

Ali's fight in Germany was a financial disaster.Ali bought $ 1000 000 worth of tickets and gave them to US servicemen.

Boxing wasn;t and isnt huge in Africa the only reason Ali fought inZaire was because MoButu underwrote the purses to try and give a positive image to his reign of murder.




Gretsky ,Jordan,Johnson? Ttheir names mean almost nothing in Europe.

He's an idiot who thinks the US = The World. He's just a dipshi t fan-boi who's head is so far up his a ss he's eating yesterday's breakfast for a second time. He literally claimed in his OP that Tyson was the most famous athlete in "the WORLD", then claims that the US IS the world and the rest of the world is irrelevant when told his claim is bullshi t.

[IronDanHamza]

I didn't say he couldn't have been using.

I said that there's a big difference between having a hunch somebody's using (Tyson) versus literally having the person be caught being the client of a steroid doctor in an investigation by ESPN, who had all of their information on them (Holyfield).

Big difference.

He wasn’t caught, though.

He wasn’t caught with PEDs in his system, we don’t know for sure if or what he took. We have reason to believe it, but we don’t know.

[JAB5239]

He wasn’t caught, though.

He wasn’t caught with PEDs in his system, we don’t know for sure if or what he took. We have reason to believe it, but we don’t know.

In my opinion all things point to it, but it's circumstantial.