Top 20 heavyweights all time

[The D3vil]

Right, so he did admit it How can you say he didn't admit it followed by saying he admitted it. We know he did it, because he admitted it. Like we know Shane Mosley did it because he admitted it. Holyfield hasn't admitted it so we can't say the same for him.



And?

That isn't an argument.

Confessing AFTER getting caught isn't the same thing as admitting something of the bat

He was caught and then when he couldn't wiggle out of anything anymore, relented.

If you ask your wife if she cheated & she says no for 6 months and then you catch her in bed with her lover, that's not confessing, that's getting caught.

Armstrong was caught.

And you're purposely being obtuse if you don't believe the most famous athlete on Earth wouldn't have people coming out against him, especially when you have Lance Armstrong as the example, who constantly had people coming out against him for YEARS before he was finally caught.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes, let's talk about how it'd be stxpid to bring up Tyson using a fake penis to take HGH, when HGH doesn't show up in pxss tests

And Cxke & weed is the only thing Tyson has ever been accused of taking credibly or tested positive for.

Now, you're also accusing Teddy Atlas of being involved in drugs now, when Atlas is one of the BIGGEST detractors of drugs in the damn sport.

He thinks drugs make you a WORSE fighter and is one of the reasons todays fighters aren't as good as the fighters in the past.

He thinks being overly muscled makes fighters slower & more likely to get injured

He extensively goes into this in Mike Silver's "The Arc of Boxing"

But at least you've exposed yourself as completely talking out of you @ss

You're equating aesthetics to performance there, which is a poor argument.

PED's can be used without gaining extensive muscle mass. So that's again, not an argument.

Just because someone says something, doesn't mean they're telling the truth. Human beings are decent at lying. So just because Teddy Atlas said he is anti drugs, doesn't mean that he is. Not accusing him of doing so, but, just saying.

There is no evidence that Mike Tyson used PEDs. No one except Mike Tyson himself will know for sure. That said, he's obviously a very suspect case on the surface.

The same can also be said for Evander Holyfield. We don't know for sure that he took PED's. He never tested positive.

[JAB5239]

Confessing AFTER getting caught isn't the same thing as admitting something of the bat

He was caught and then when he couldn't wiggle out of anything anymore, relented.

If you ask your wife if she cheated & she says no for 6 months and then you catch her in bed with her lover, that's not confessing, that's getting caught.

Armstrong was caught.

And you're purposely being obtuse if you don't believe the most famous athlete on Earth wouldn't have people coming out against him, especially when you have Lance Armstrong as the example, who constantly had people coming out against him for YEARS before he was finally caught.

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[Biledriver]

Mike Tyson was the most famous athlete on Earth in the late '80s/early '90s

Michael Jordan? Diego Maradona? Wayne Gretzky? Magic Johnson? Marco van Basten? ect.....

[IronDanHamza]

Confessing AFTER getting caught isn't the same thing as admitting something of the bat

He was caught and then when he couldn't wiggle out of anything anymore, relented.

If you ask your wife if she cheated & she says no for 6 months and then you catch her in bed with her lover, that's not confessing, that's getting caught.

Armstrong was caught.

And you're purposely being obtuse if you don't believe the most famous athlete on Earth wouldn't have people coming out against him, especially when you have Lance Armstrong as the example, who constantly had people coming out against him for YEARS before he was finally caught.

He wasn't caught at all, he was accused. And he admitted to it after the fact. Regardless it's irrelevant, he admitted to it. Evander Holyfield hasn't. It's that simple.

To the second point, no, not really. Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquaio were extremely famous in their peak. Has anyone come out against them?

Usian Bolt?

Mo Farah?

Cristiano Ronaldo?

You could spend a day on this fallacious argument. Being famous isn't an argument for not being on PEDs, it's a total none argument and doesn't prove, or even suggest innocence in any way what so ever.

[Kid Cauliflower]

As many champs have probably been on drugs as have not. Just a feeling, no proof.

[BKM-]

Dude, HGH doesn't show up on drug tests

Your point being what? 1-All the more advantage for a user like Tyson. 2-I didn't say HGH was the only PED he took. He likely took a ****tail of drugs like most top athletes especially in that era. The only reason I put more emphasis on HGH is because it was more widely used in sports during Tyson's prime, it is more obvious physically on Tyson's body not just the muscles, and lastly I can't promise I can find it but many years ago Tyson did an interview where he was asked about PED's and what he'd use "if" he could and Tyson said HGH, conveniently. Don't quote me on that one because I will have to find the interview first before I can use it in this diuscussion.

Yeah, and Tyson admitted to taking ******* & marijuana, genius

He also denies being a sexual predator/rapist despite all the allegations. Contrary to popular Tyson fanboy beliefs, the man is not as honest as they claim.

Also, was it fat that Bobby Stewart's ribs & jaw?

I don't know exactly what that means, but this is what Bobby Stewart saw but an even softer and younger version:
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I think he is 12 or 13 in this picture. Does that look like "200lb genetic monster" that Tyson fans claim he was when he first went to Cus?

No, Tyson fans post this photo of a 15 year old Tyson(2 to 3 years into his drug regiment) and claim it's a 12 year old Tyson who was just discovered by Stewart:
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Also, where does a poor kid from Brownsville afford an extensive HGH/steroid program at 14 years old?

I thought you knew that I was obviously talking about the catskills boxing team providing him the drugs and probably shooting him up. I didn't realize you thought I meant a 12 year old Tyson was somehow getting the drugs himself and shooting his own ass up. I had no idea you were this slow, I will try to keep that in mind.

[BKM-]

Yes, let's talk about how it'd be stxpid to bring up Tyson using a fake penis to take HGH, when HGH doesn't show up in pxss tests

And Cxke & weed is the only thing Tyson has ever been accused of taking credibly or tested positive for.

Now, you're also accusing Teddy Atlas of being involved in drugs now, when Atlas is one of the BIGGEST detractors of drugs in the damn sport.

He thinks drugs make you a WORSE fighter and is one of the reasons todays fighters aren't as good as the fighters in the past.

He thinks being overly muscled makes fighters slower & more likely to get injured

He extensively goes into this in Mike Silver's "The Arc of Boxing"

But at least you've exposed yourself as completely talking out of you @ss

Oh my God, I should have thought of this myself what was I thinking? Of course Atlas had no part in the PED's because he says so.

How could I have been so foolish? Of course people in sports have nothing to do with PED's because they say so. That's all it takes.

Gotta love how every fighter who has tested positive claimed they were clean before they tested positive. And btw still claim innocense after testing positive too.

You are so naive, you have a lot to learn about how life really works. I hope you don't idolize these people because one day when you find out the truth it's really going to hurt you. Just giving you some honest advice.

[The D3vil]

You're equating aesthetics to performance there, which is a poor argument.

PED's can be used without gaining extensive muscle mass. So that's again, not an argument.

Just because someone says something, doesn't mean they're telling the truth. Human beings are decent at lying. So just because Teddy Atlas said he is anti drugs, doesn't mean that he is. Not accusing him of doing so, but, just saying.

There is no evidence that Mike Tyson used PEDs. No one except Mike Tyson himself will know for sure. That said, he's obviously a very suspect case on the surface.

The same can also be said for Evander Holyfield. We don't know for sure that he took PED's. He never tested positive.

With the exception that ESPN caught Holyfield's doctor who had Holyfield's information and Holyfield answered the damn phone when they called him using the number the steroid doctor had for him.

But okay, let's pretend that's exactly the same as random idiots on the internet making fake accusations.

[The D3vil]

Michael Jordan? Diego Maradona? Wayne Gretzky? Magic Johnson? Marco van Basten? ect.....

Mike Tyson bigger than all of them.

You don't remember.

Just say that.

Maradona wasn't that famous in America. Soccer's not popular here.

Hockey's only popular in a few Northern countries

Magic & Jordan were close here, but Jordan's greatest fame came in the '90s. The NBA hadn't expanded around the world yet in the '80s

The heavyweight champion of boxing used to be the most famous athlete in the world because boxing was popular in every region of the world