Tunney & The Absence Of Black Fighters On His Resume.

[JAB5239]

Stole this from something called the 13th Round but he does cite a local newspaper as his source.

The only person calling this a title defense was Muldoon everyone else says it was an exhibition right down to the oversized gloves they wore, to Dempsey wearing training tights not trunks, and no one paying any attention to the judges scorecards.


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Broadway Auditorium in Buffalo, in a fight the New York State Athletic Commission insisted be for the World Heavyweight Championship. However, the Buffalo Evening News reported: "Dempsey buffeted Jimmy Darcy around with BIG GLOVES for four rounds." It goes on to state that while the NYSAC commission sent word that they did not recognize exhibition bouts, the Buffalo Evening News goes on to state that the bout "went on for the whole four rounds to a decision, though nobody heard the official verdict." The Buffalo Courier stated: "Jack Dempsey defeated Jimmy Darcy four round exhibition, judges decision." In the accompanying article, it refers to the bout several times as an exhibition. Dempsey was dressed for an exhibition, wearing long blue tights, not trunks, and using pillow-sized gloves. And on July 7, just two weeks before this bout, Dempsey appeared in a four-round exhibition in Syracuse against the same Jimmy Darcy, who coincidentally was a sparring partner of Dempsey. The commission did say the day after the bout that the championship could have changed hands if Darcy won, but the evidence appears to indicate there was no legitimate chance of that happening. Thus, this fight has been deleted from the official record.

ORIGINAL SOURCE LINK:

https://www.the13thround.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=36579

My point was, and it was an exhibition, that it shows Jack taking other fights and or exhibitions at the time Queenie tried to say he was trying to make the Wills fight. Mind you I don't think Dempsey was scared of Wills, but he surrounded himself with a guy that didn't want him to fight Wills. It may not be his personal fault, but the fact they never fought when Wills was the best available fighter for years leaves a bad taste so to speak.

[Marchegiano]

Actually buds, it's the boxrec wiki on Dempsey.

Jack Dempsey - BoxRec

Just cut and paste without sources. Here's the sources:

• "New Boxing Star is Declared a Second Ketchel" The Tacoma Times, March 14, 1918
• "A Tale of Two Jacks: The Life Story of Jack Dempsey" By Damon Runyon, The Pittsburgh Press, June 15, 1919
• "Jack Dempsey Is Acquitted By Jury" The Pittsburgh Press, June 16, 1920
• Chevrolet Leader News (Vol. 2, No. 3) (1936) Starting at the 3:06 mark, the short film shows Dempsey refereeing a boys' boxing match
• "Jack Dempsey suffered loss in 1927 slaying-suicide" The Daily Gazette, July 3, 1995
• "Jack Dempsey ... Lean And Mean With The Skill And The Will" By Tracy Callis, Cyber Boxing Zone, 1999
• A Flame of Pure Fire: Jack Dempsey and the Roaring '20s By Roger Kahn, Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2000
• The Boxing Register: International Boxing Hall of Fame Official Record Book By James B. Roberts and Alexander G. Skutt, McBooks Press, 2006
• Official Website
• Pro Record at CBZ
• IMDb movie credits
• Jack Dempsey Quotes
• Find A Grave
• YouTube Video: Dempsey sparring with Big Bill Tate shortly before Dempsey's title bout with Jess Willard
• Jack Dempsey: This Is Your Life YouTube video: [1]

I'm not sure which is meant to speak to the Darcy event, but we got paper names and book titles now.

[mrbig1]

It’s a big smear on the careers of both Dempsey and Tunney that they drew the colour line when other fighters didn’t.

Agree 100%. Every champion after Sullivan fought black fighters. It does look bad for both Jack and Gene.

[TheRivv]

Is it really that big of a deal outside of the unfortunate racist connotations?

[Ivich]

Is it really that big of a deal outside of the unfortunate racist connotations?

I suppose that is up to the individual to decide.

[QueensburyRules]

You were saying something??? You really need to do some research before running your yap.

https://www.backcreekbooks.com/pages/books/891/boxing/souvenir-program-jack-dempsey-vs-jimmy-darcy-exhibition-bout-july-26-1922?soldItem=true

Jack Dempsey and Jimmy Darcy fought in a four-round boxing match on July 22, 1922 at Buffalo's Broadway Auditorium. Dempsey, the world heavyweight champion at the time, boxed Darcy in a "masterly fashion" and won the fight, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. However, it's unclear if the fight was a legitimate title defense or just an exhibition that was called a title defense.

- - Confirming what I said proving you a duncecap.

Not an official bout much less title bout. Your mania for links can't fix your STOOOPID

[QueensburyRules]

Agree 100%. Every champion after Sullivan fought black fighters. It does look bad for both Jack and Gene.

- - Jack fought two black fighters officially, dozens more in spars and unofficial fights while working Young Peter Jackson's gym in Salt Lake City.

Jackson discovered Jack Dempsey. Jackson owned the gym in Salt Lake City, Utah, where Dempsey trained and performed odds jobs when the future World Heavyweight Champion was a teenager. Dempsey biographer Randy Roberts wrote: "Occasionally, when Jackson ran short of boxers, he allowed Dempsey to fight in a preliminary bout for the standard fee of $2.50.

Tunney agreed to fight Wills in Rickard's tourney to decide who Dempsey would fight after 3 years in Hollywood. Wills turned him down.

Jack was willing to fight Wills and vice versa and had venue and Stupendous Purses guaranteed by first Boston and next year NYC refused to sanction the fights.

Guaranteed it looks much worse for you...

[JAB5239]

- - Confirming what I said proving you a duncecap.

Not an official bout much less title bout. Your mania for links can't fix your STOOOPID

My point again was when did he try to make a fight in 1922? Was that the fight with the phoney contract? Exhibition or not, he didn't fight Wills, did he? Wouldn't fight Greb either, but had no problem fighting his leftover ers.

[Willie Pep 229]

My point again was when did he try to make a fight in 1922? Was that the fight with the phoney contract? Exhibition or not, he didn't fight Wills, did he? Wouldn't fight Greb either, but had no problem fighting his leftover ers.

Not fair -- you're making us make the same arguments over again.

With Greb, the only offer anyone made Kearns was from a Pittsburg promoter John Bell who offered a 100K guarantee and a percentage.

Kearns wanted a minimum of 300K guarantee with a percentage or a flat 500K.

Kearns used the negotiations with Pittsburgh as smoke to keep the NYSAC off his back. The NYSAC threatened to strip Dempsey of his title in 90 days if he didn't sign to fight Wills.

Kearns retaliated by announcing he was talking to Greb and Pittsburgh.

On the 90th day the NYSAC stuck its tail between its legs and took no action against Dempsey

Just to rub salt in the wound Kearns then, on the 90th day, did an interview with the NYT were he announced the Greb fight off; that the guarantee wasn't even close to buying Dempsey.

No one ever made Kearns an offer to fight Greb that even remotely came close to Kearns' demands.

NYT, February 28th 1922 Coast Drops Dempsey Bout

Kearns announces he wants 100K up front and a 750K total guarantee for Dempsey bout in California. Not going to happen.

NYT, April 12th 1922 Dempsey will fight Greb after Tour

Kearns blows smoke up NYSAC ass in retaliation to NYSAC threat to strip Dempsey of title, by proposing a Greb fight in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh. A fight he never intends to make.


NYT, June 30th 1922 Dempsey Accepts Wills Challenge.

Kearns blows more smoke up NYSAC ass via spokesperson McKetrick. Paddy Mullins, Wills manager refuses to sign a proposed Kearns agreement, recognizing that the contract does not actually guarantee a Dempsey fight, only the possibility of a negotiation. Thus freezing Wills in place with no options or guarantee. Mullins was correct in refusing the deal.

Then McKetrick (on behalf of Kearns who is hiding in Chicago) brings up the possibility of a Greb fight again to throw more confusion into the situation.


NYT, July 8th 1922 Kearns Must Reply Today.

John Bell Pittsburgh promoter warns that this is the last day to reply if a Greb-Dempsey bout can be made. Kearns stays silent. The NYSAC 90 day threat of stripping Dempsey has passed with no action taken. Kearns once again turns his attention out west.

Kearns never intended to fight Greb; the money offered to fight Greb was never even close. He used Greb and promoter John Bell to leverage the NYSAC. Nothing more.

[JAB5239]

Not fair -- you're making us make the same arguments over again.

With Greb, the only offer anyone made Kearns was from a Pittsburg promoter John Bell who offered a 100K guarantee and a percentage.

Kearns wanted a minimum of 300K guarantee with a percentage or a flat 500K.

Kearns used the negotiations with Pittsburgh as smoke to keep the NYSAC off his back. The NYSAC threatened to strip Dempsey of his title in 90 days if he didn't sign to fight Wills.

Kearns retaliated by announcing he was talking to Greb and Pittsburgh.

On the 90th day the NYSAC stuck its tail between its legs and took no action against Dempsey

Just to rub salt in the wound Kearns then, on the 90th day, did an interview with the NYT were he announced the Greb fight off; that the guarantee wasn't even close to buying Dempsey.

No one ever made Kearns an offer to fight Greb that even remotely came close to Kearns' demands.

NYT, February 28th 1922 Coast Drops Dempsey Bout

Kearns announces he wants 100K up front and a 750K total guarantee for Dempsey bout in California. Not going to happen.

NYT, April 12th 1922 Dempsey will fight Greb after Tour

Kearns blows smoke up NYSAC ass in retaliation to NYSAC threat to strip Dempsey of title, by proposing a Greb fight in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh. A fight he never intends to make.


NYT, June 30th 1922 Dempsey Accepts Wills Challenge.

Kearns blows more smoke up NYSAC ass via spokesperson McKetrick. Paddy Mullins, Wills manager refuses to sign a proposed Kearns agreement, recognizing that the contract does not actually guarantee a Dempsey fight, only the possibility of a negotiation. Thus freezing Wills in place with no options or guarantee. Mullins was correct in refusing the deal.
I don't get
Then McKetrick (on behalf of Kearns who is hiding in Chicago) brings up the possibility of a Greb fight again to throw more confusion into the situation.


NYT, July 8th 1922 Kearns Must Reply Today.

John Bell Pittsburgh promoter warns that this is the last day to reply if a Greb-Dempsey bout can be made. Kearns stays silent. The NYSAC 90 day threat of stripping Dempsey has passed with no action taken. Kearns once again turns his attention out west.

Kearns never intended to fight Greb; the money offered to fight Greb was never even close. He used Greb and promoter John Bell to leverage the NYSAC. Nothing more.

I get all that. What don't get is how the money was ok to fight guys Greb had already beaten. And thank you, I wasn't quite sure if 1922 was the year of the phoney contract for Wills. Again Queenie is caught not knowing what he's talking about. As stated earlier, I don't blame Dempsey per say, but it is a stain on his career. Does that take away from his accomplishments? Heck no. But it's relevant history when talking boxing.