Joe Fraizer's body

[billeau2]

- - I ate my scratch made tacos with plenty of beer in between finish off a biography of Mao by Jung Chang who really nailed down his p4p sociopathy that set China back several generations.

Already seen both fights, but thanks for the offer...

TACOS!!! Yer as bad as me wife!!! Turkey was so plentiful the week up I kept making turkey rolls stuffed with dressings, when Thanksgiving rolled around she wanted... STEAK! .

[billeau2]

So you ever got around knowing what's the deal with this Rusty poster? Beyond his forum character he plays, Like his actual age and background maybe? I figured I'd ask you since you two have been going at it for years.

I think Rusty was perhaps a troll that went from site to site. I do not think he had other iden****** here... But I cannot confirm that. Sonny boy was harder to pin down. I think he is still posting lol, but not sure as whom.

[N/A]

Joe Frazier's tale of the tape.

When I look at Frazier he had a smallish neck, narrow shoulders, and short small arms that were weak ( biceps and wrist ). He could not clinch worth darn, or push off. He was easy to bull around the ring.

BUT

He has a good lower body with big springy and strong legs which allowed him to get inside of the slower footed fighters who lacked big time power and made his relatively short reach less of an issue. Here he is explosive and had plenty of conditioning ( when he was in shape ) to keep pressing the issue in the later rounds, unlike Tyson.

Legendary trainer Ed Futch said that Frazier had the worst body type of all the heavyweight champions.

Thoughts?

Criticizing his physique that way is an overstatement, but for a one-eyed heavy smoker he wasn't bad at all, was he - Joe is a legend for a reason. True, his body didn't look too impressive, which doesn't mean it wasn't functional. He had a unique rhythm and very good positioning. And was bad at clinching, true. Also was a very slow starter.

[ShoulderRoll]

Poor old Joe had the wrong kind of body in this 1973 Superstars competition and almost drowned.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTKDDTI36yE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk2zl5s6xM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZCnVbm0yXI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUTxgTEdZTA

Athleticism is fetishized but it’s not the be all, end all for boxing. This is the fight game, not a track and field meet. (Unless your name is Shakur Stevenson.)

Frazier was an Olympic gold medalist. If there was one thing he knew how to do it was fighting.

[markusmod]

Poor ol' Joe. As far from an all around athleyt as an athlete can get.

Yes indeed!

[Dr. Z]

Athleticism is fetishized but it’s not the be all, end all for boxing. This is the fight game, not a track and field meet. (Unless your name is Shakur Stevenson.)

Frazier was an Olympic gold medalist. If there was one thing he knew how to do it was fighting.

True, but Frazier was small non- athletic fighter and was rather limited with his right hand in the ring.

But the man was a fighter with great heart, stamina, and one heck of a left hook.

[billeau2]

Criticizing his physique that way is an overstatement, but for a one-eyed heavy smoker he wasn't bad at all, was he - Joe is a legend for a reason. True, his body didn't look too impressive, which doesn't mean it wasn't functional. He had a unique rhythm and very good positioning. And was bad at clinching, true. Also was a very slow starter.

Boxing being a hybrid of sorts: a combo of fighting and sport, there is room for people to take any perceived disadvantage and make it an advantage. marciano and frazier both parlayed a perceived set of disadvantages into advantages. What people tend to forget is, if I am fighting and have a reach of 72 inches versus a guy with 75 inches, it is a pretty major disadvantage because every time the shorter reached guy throws, the longer reached guy will get there first. But if I have short arms I will be fighting in a style that takes full advantage of different entering methods, there will be no way for me to try to use a jab to enter.

My karate sensei had only one eye... He never told anyone. He used to fight in such a way that opponents were psyched out from the get go... Like Tyson lol. He knew he would not go for feints, because he could not see them! So he would walk you back and let you catch his elbows. Fighting with him was traumatic... He picked up your shot only after it entered a certain range, because of the one eye, he literally made an advantage out of a disadvantage. If you could not see a feint, you could not be affected by it, and furthermore (this was ingenious) his tactile was incredible.,. You would touch him with something and he honed in on you with his counter. Thats fighting versus a sport imo and a big part of why guys like Armstrong (some consider the best ever...some) Marciano and Frazier could still rule their roost.

[markusmod]

True, but Frazier was small non- athletic fighter and was rather limited with his right hand in the ring.

But the man was a fighter with great heart, stamina, and one heck of a left hook.

Great chin too, when not facing Foreman.

[The Defecator]

Athleticism is fetishized but it’s not the be all, end all for boxing. This is the fight game, not a track and field meet. (Unless your name is Shakur Stevenson.)

Frazier was an Olympic gold medalist. If there was one thing he knew how to do it was fighting.

Been saying this for years.

[them_apples]

Joe Frazier's tale of the tape.

When I look at Frazier he had a smallish neck, narrow shoulders, and short small arms that were weak ( biceps and wrist ). He could not clinch worth darn, or push off. He was easy to bull around the ring.

BUT

He has a good lower body with big springy and strong legs which allowed him to get inside of the slower footed fighters who lacked big time power and made his relatively short reach less of an issue. Here he is explosive and had plenty of conditioning ( when he was in shape ) to keep pressing the issue in the later rounds, unlike Tyson.

Legendary trainer Ed Futch said that Frazier had the worst body type of all the heavyweight champions.

Thoughts?

I don’t see the smallish neck part. Hes got a strong neck. He’s built stocky, his arms are slim though. Thats what you want though, for snappy hard punches. He was very strong and his core and glutes held the power and leverage.

then there is his style and skills he picked up from Futch. He could make guys miss and catch them flush.