Southpaw Heavyweight Ranked Contenders? 1924-2023

[JAB5239]

Box Recs ratings are laughable We are discussing VITALI not his brother acting in synch with him, each taking the opponents tjhat were problematical for each other.

- - You cannot discuss Vit without Wlad and vice versa. They eliminated near every fighter who dared fight them no matter the ranking such that American broadcasters were too embarrassed to expose just how sorry American heavyweights were. Tony Thompson the only decent American Heavy in their era that would fight them.

You're laughable believing Ring and Doogie ratings are legit any more than WBC or ABC rankings.

What Boxrec does is eliminate innate human biases and fills out rankings with more than top ten, and often Ring and others look at Boxrec rankings to closely mirror their rankings.[/QUOTE]

So boxrec isn't wrong, is that what you're saying?

[Dr. Z]

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Why wouldn't Ruiz or Toney fight Vits? Ruiz fought a higher level of competition during his career. As boring as he was he still took on all comers. Lmao at you even questioning Toney who called out the "Frankenstein " brothers for years!

You want me to show you proof he didn't seek out a rematch with Byrd? OK it's simple, because a rematch never happened. The fact is he did not try to rematch Byrd even though it was on him to do so because he lost.

Lewis retired after WINNING. That is far different than losing and never redeeming yourself...something Lewis did after both his losses. I find it comical you want to slam Lewis for retiring after winning, but you have no problem with Vits carrying on with his career and never looking to fight Byrd again.

By the way, you never answered my question as to why Vits didn't fight any of the top 10 EE heavies I mentioned. So answer me this. Did Lewis miss out on fighting more top 10 southpaws or Vits fighting top 10 eastern european heavyweights?

It's was a good fighter, but his career is way overrated in my opinion.

FYI, Wlad called out Toney for a fight when Toney had no title! There was more money for it. More than he made in his next fight. Too bad Toney did sack up as I would have loved to see it. I get the feeling Toney would not be able to hang with and talk about with his 313 fans afterwards. Toney did not fight Wlad. . He declined the offer. Balked. Up next for Toney was a fight vs a nobody. Free history lesson for you.

And I am still waiting for you to show me proof that Vitali had no interest in fighting Byrd again. After all, I showed you that Vitali wanted to fight Lewis badly. Lewis did not.

As you know Lewis did not fight ANY Southpaws, and missed out in the Vitali rematch! Vitali fought five EE fighters, far more than Lewis did. He talked and acted like active fighter for nearly a year. But when the WBC force the fight which the boxing world wanted, he said not thanks. Those are facts. Now I think there were more EE fighters than pro southpaws to fight. Is that a point you're trying to be clever on?

When Lewis lost he got his re-matches. I see the game is different for Vitali according to you. Lewis did not rematch any of his wins in close fights. Not one of them. Not Mercer or Bruno. Not Klitschko either.

You can be biased against Vitali. Okay I will use your replies to educate you. Learn anything?

[JAB5239]

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FYI, Wlad called out Toney for a fight when Toney had no title! There was more money for it. More than he made in his next fight. Too bad Toney did sack up as I would have loved to see it. I get the feeling Toney would not be able to hang with and talk about with his 313 fans afterwards. Toney did not fight Wlad. . He declined the offer. Balked. Up next for Toney was a fight vs a nobody. Free history lesson for you.

And I am still waiting for you to show me proof that Vitali had no interest in fighting Byrd again. After all, I showed you that Vitali wanted to fight Lewis badly. Lewis did not.

As you know Lewis did not fight ANY Southpaws, and missed out in the Vitali rematch! Vitali fought five EE fighters, far more than Lewis did. He talked and acted like native fighter for nearly a year. But when the WBC force the fight which the boxing world wanted, he said not thanks. Those are facts. Now I think there were more EE fighters than pro southpaws to fight. Is that a point you're trying to be clever on?

When Lewis lost he got his re-matches. I see the game is different for Vitali according to you. Lewis did not rematch any of his wins in close fights. Not one of them. Not Mercer or Bruno. Not Klitschko either.

You can be biased against Vitali. Okay I will use your replies to educate you. Learn anything?

I wasn't talking about Wlad. But of course he would be the one to call out Toney, just as he had the far superior resume. In other words Wlad had the balls in the family.

[Ivich]

- - You cannot discuss Vit without Wlad and vice versa. They eliminated near every fighter who dared fight them no matter the ranking such that American broadcasters were too embarrassed to expose just how sorry American heavyweights were. Tony Thompson the only decent American Heavy in their era that would fight them.

You're laughable believing Ring and Doogie ratings are legit any more than WBC or ABC rankings.

What Boxrec does is eliminate innate human biases and fills out rankings with more than top ten, and often Ring and others look at Boxrec rankings to closely mirror their rankings.

So boxrec isn't wrong, is that what you're saying?[/QUOTE]

Boxing isn't a tag team sport if you're beaten by somebody,you don't run to your brother and say get him for me! lol

[JAB5239]

So boxrec isn't wrong, is that what you're saying?

Boxing isn't a tag team sport if you're beaten by somebody,you don't run to your brother and say get him for me! lol
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I agree 100%. Queenie is a moron. I just want to know if he thinks we should use the boxrec rating system. To me it's absolutely laughable. But he seems to like their rating system so he must agree with Lewis ranking 3rd all time and Fury 11th above Vits and Mike Tyson. He must also agree with guys like Patterson, Walcott, Schmeling, Elmer Ray and Johansson ranking better than his hero AJ. He must agree with Jim Jeffries all time rating of 238. I mean because it does take out all human bias, right?

[Willie Pep 229]

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FYI, Wlad called out Toney for a fight when Toney had no title! There was more money for it. More than he made in his next fight. Too bad Toney did sack up as I would have loved to see it. I get the feeling Toney would not be able to hang with and talk about with his 313 fans afterwards. Toney did not fight Wlad. . He declined the offer. Balked. Up next for Toney was a fight vs a nobody. Free history lesson for you.

And I am still waiting for you to show me proof that Vitali had no interest in fighting Byrd again. After all, I showed you that Vitali wanted to fight Lewis badly. Lewis did not.

As you know Lewis did not fight ANY Southpaws, and missed out in the Vitali rematch! Vitali fought five EE fighters, far more than Lewis did. He talked and acted like native fighter for nearly a year. But when the WBC force the fight which the boxing world wanted, he said not thanks. Those are facts. Now I think there were more EE fighters than pro southpaws to fight. Is that a point you're trying to be clever on?

When Lewis lost he got his re-matches. I see the game is different for Vitali according to you. Lewis did not rematch any of his wins in close fights. Not one of them. Not Mercer or Bruno. Not Klitschko either.

You can be biased against Vitali. Okay I will use your replies to educate you. Learn anything?

Retirement trumps duck.

A fighter quits for real, no one he leaves behind should be called a duck.

"Duck" means avoided. Did Lewis duck me?

[QueensburyRules]

- - You cannot discuss Vit without Wlad and vice versa. They eliminated near every fighter who dared fight them no matter the ranking such that American broadcasters were too embarrassed to expose just how sorry American heavyweights were. Tony Thompson the only decent American Heavy in their era that would fight them.

You're laughable believing Ring and Doogie ratings are legit any more than WBC or ABC rankings.

What Boxrec does is eliminate innate human biases and fills out rankings with more than top ten, and often Ring and others look at Boxrec rankings to closely mirror their rankings.

So boxrec isn't wrong, is that what you're saying?[/QUOTE]

- - Boxrec the most prolific and accessible boxing data base in history is what I’m saying.

You making up nonsense is what you say.

[JAB5239]

So boxrec isn't wrong, is that what you're saying?

- - Boxrec the most prolific and accessible boxing data base in history is what I’m saying.

You making up nonsense is what you say.[/QUOTE]

So you abide by their ratings, right? It's a yes or no question.

[Dr. Z]

- - Boxrec the most prolific and accessible boxing data base in history is what I’m saying.

You making up nonsense is what you say.

So you abide by their ratings, right? It's a yes or no question.[/QUOTE]

This question was not addressed to me, but I will answer it. Box Rec has no concept of age, whether the fighter is unphysical and mental shape or how he is trending. It a computerized point system for rankings and I think Ring Magazine ratings are superior to theirs. Fight News if they still do ratings are a bit better as well. I do not put as much faith in box rec for the reasons I stated.

With Box Rec its the database that excellent and the linked fight reviews.

- Dr Z.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Boxrec the most prolific and accessible boxing data base in history is what I’m saying.

You making up nonsense is what you say.

So you abide by their ratings, right? It's a yes or no question.[/QUOTE]


- - I was combining Ring and IBRO Rating before you was out of jrhigh.

You being a yes or no slobbering duh… dummy wouldn’t understand any ratings much less talk about them intelligently.