Southpaw Heavyweight Ranked Contenders? 1924-2023

[Ivich]

You're such a pathetic little person. Don't you ever get tired of looking foolish?

Obviously not!

[Dr. Z]

No, you were wrong on Vitali not fighting EE fighters as I pointed out in addition to Adamek you also left out Charr and Sosnowski in title matches! There are other EE fighters that Vitali beat both whom were undefeated when he beat them. This is 5 EE fighters. Just accept this facts, and let's move on, shall we ?

Now on Lewis, he was not talking retirement for 8 months post the VK fight. It is only when the WBC uithe rematch and he realized the Jones fight could not be made...Then he quickly retired. He did not want to re-match VK

I said top 10 ranked EE fighters, to which he o ly has Adamek. Why none of the others?

So let me get this straight. It's OK for Vits to continue his career but never seek a Byrd rematch after losing, but Lennox ducked a rematch with Vits after beating him and retiring? Do you see how that sounds? It's a ridiculous defense. Lewis won and owed nothing. Vit lost to Byrd and never redeemed himself against him. These are indisputable facts.[/QUOTE]


>>> How do you know Vitali never sought a rematch with Bryd? Again Byrd was locked in fighting Don King fighters for a while. I pointed out here VK fought three EE fighter's in title shots. And mentioned he had fought at least five EE fighters.

Now they have to be in the top ten? What are these moving goal posts by you? Of course Vitaly challenged EE fighter N Valuev for a title match. Valuev refused. He was ranked.

Take my advice and take the defeat. Vitali fought all types of fighters. Southpaws, small heavies, large heavies, Cubans, African Americans, Eastern Europeans... He ducked no man.

[JAB5239]

I said top 10 ranked EE fighters, to which he o ly has Adamek. Why none of the others?

So let me get this straight. It's OK for Vits to continue his career but never seek a Byrd rematch after losing, but Lennox ducked a rematch with Vits after beating him and retiring? Do you see how that sounds? It's a ridiculous defense. Lewis won and owed nothing. Vit lost to Byrd and never redeemed himself against him. These are indisputable facts.

>>> How do you know Vitali never sought a rematch with Bryd? Again Byrd was locked in fighting Don King fighters for a while. I pointed out here VK fought three EE fighter's in title shots. And mentioned he had fought at least five EE fighters.

Now they have to be in the top ten? What are these moving goal posts by you? Of course Vitaly challenged EE fighter N Valuev for a title match. Valuev refused. He was ranked.

Take my advice and take the defeat. Vitali fought all types of fighters. Southpaws, small heavies, large heavies, Cubans, African Americans, Eastern Europeans... He ducked no man.[/QUOTE]

Lmao......what defeat? What Top 10 ring fighters did he fight. Adamek, that's it. I've asked this question from the get go. Charr and Sosnowski were 3rd rated contenders with a WBC ranking only. And please don't pretend Vits tried to fight Valuev. He wanted a rematch clause, and if he lost the rematch options on Valuevs next fight with a rematch clause for that. Why no Chageav, Ibragimov, Boystov, Lihokivich, Maskaev, Valuev, Povetkin, Virchis, Dimitrenko, Pulev? That's ten EE fighters ranked in the top ten of the Ring, yet no fights. His brother made many of these fight, but not Vits. These are facts you have no answers for. So take my advice and take the defeat. Besides the Byrd rematch, Vits ducked a lot of men.

[JAB5239]

Been like crickets in here about Wlads supposed "poisoning ".

[Ivich]

>>> How do you know Vitali never sought a rematch with Bryd? Again Byrd was locked in fighting Don King fighters for a while. I pointed out here VK fought three EE fighter's in title shots. And mentioned he had fought at least five EE fighters.

Now they have to be in the top ten? What are these moving goal posts by you? Of course Vitaly challenged EE fighter N Valuev for a title match. Valuev refused. He was ranked.

Take my advice and take the defeat. Vitali fought all types of fighters. Southpaws, small heavies, large heavies, Cubans, African Americans, Eastern Europeans... He ducked no man.

Lmao......what defeat? What Top 10 ring fighters did he fight. Adamek, that's it. I've asked this question from the get go. Charr and Sosnowski were 3rd rated contenders with a WBC ranking only. And please don't pretend Vits tried to fight Valuev. He wanted a rematch clause, and if he lost the rematch options on Valuevs next fight with a rematch clause for that. Why no Chageav, Ibragimov, Boystov, Lihokivich, Maskaev, Valuev, Povetkin, Virchis, Dimitrenko, Pulev? That's ten EE fighters ranked in the top ten of the Ring, yet no fights. His brother made many of these fight, but not Vits. These are facts you have no answers for. So take my advice and take the defeat. Besides the Byrd rematch, Vits ducked a lot of men.[/QUOTE]

Vitali Eider Klitchko.

[QueensburyRules]

Lmao......what defeat? What Top 10 ring fighters did he fight. Adamek, that's it. I've asked this question from the get go. Charr and Sosnowski were 3rd rated contenders with a WBC ranking only. And please don't pretend Vits tried to fight Valuev. He wanted a rematch clause, and if he lost the rematch options on Valuevs next fight with a rematch clause for that. Why no Chageav, Ibragimov, Boystov, Lihokivich, Maskaev, Valuev, Povetkin, Virchis, Dimitrenko, Pulev? That's ten EE fighters ranked in the top ten of the Ring, yet no fights. His brother made many of these fight, but not Vits. These are facts you have no answers for. So take my advice and take the defeat. Besides the Byrd rematch, Vits ducked a lot of men.

Vitali Eider Klitchko.[/QUOTE]

- - Same ol' regurgitated French fried snails that you marinate your ignorance in.

Boxrec rankings as of September 5^{th, 2010} while Vitali, Wlad, and David Haye were all putting together their fights,, ie Boxrec the largest of the few ranking orgs that rank more than 10 or 15 fighters in a division.

(notes)

1. Wlad

2. Vitali

3. Haye (already backed out of one signed and sealed contract and refused recent 50/50 offer by the Klitschkos, signing to defend against Audley Harrison in spite of repeated denials that he was even in negotiations)
4. Adamek (pending to allow cuts to heal, but apparently fighting Maddalone in Dec)
5. Chagaev (beat badly by Wlad and currently Haye’s mandatory)
6. Povetkin (refused to sign negotiated agreement to challenge in Wlad’s last defense, thus losing his 2 yr long mandatory ranking, not to mention his trainer, Teddy Atlas, says Povetkin is not yet ready to challenge for the title.)
7. Valuev (interesting deal was almost put together against Vitali, but out into next year with left shoulder/wrist surgery, and as it turned, he never returned. Haye in 2009 was his last bout)
8. Peter (beat badly by Wlad 2x/Vitali 1x)
9. Thompson (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
10. Chambers (beat badly by Wlad and still rebuilding)
11. Arreola (beat badly by Vitali and still rebuilding)
12. Dimitrenko (new EBU champ, but turned down Klitschko offers, maybe building into a much bigger promotion in the next year of two)
13. Gomez (beat badly by Vitali and a last ditch opponent for now)
14. Sexton (busy being knocked out by Chisora)
15. Boytsov (maybe in the future, but only 24 and shaking off the rust after coming back from hand surgery, now is not his time, maybe a year or two in a bigger promotion)
16. Austin (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
17. Helenius (very promising prospect recently breaking into fringe contender. Maybe a year or two away in a much bigger promotion)
18. Solis (chubby growing into a blimp with promoter problems looking like he’s moving to challenge for the WBA cheese belt, not the Klitschkos)
19. Pianeta (who dat?)
20. T Ibragimov (The lesser talented of the Russian Iggys, his cousin already lost a shutout against Wlad)
21. Sosnowski (beat badly by Vitali and rebuilding against Dimitrenko)
22. Ustinov (undefeated Russian Bigfoot monster promoted by Ks and wants a Kbro. I’m guessing Vitali’s retirement fight if he makes it past Briggs and can’t sign Haye or Valuev)
23. Holyfield (Oh, brother, where art thou buried? Jeez…..)
24. Platov (who? See Pianeta!)
25. Johnson (beat worse than badly by Vitali……..please, watching Vitali try to stuff a giant squash into a blender would be better stuffing for a Saturday night turkey……..nevermore…….nevermore…….)

Say HELLO to one Shannon The Cannon Briggs, lifelong asthmaholic, part time wastrel, yet all while breaking the all time first round KO record first officially recorded by Jack Dempsey in his all time tear through the heavy division. Briggs has 31 first round KOs, unofficially 32 but for failing a post fight drug test, probably a positive test result for ganja. Briggs is unabashedly Jamaican after all.

Briggs finds himself square in the middle in his 3rd opportune “Dream ” when Haye, Adamek, and Povetkin all shut down and beat strategic retreats rather than to fight the brothers in a losing cause. As the “2x” champ with an established name, Briggs should bring in the business once the promotion starts touting his KO record.

This just a typical slice of the K era that emasculated American boxing and boxing fans so badly that American networks refused to broadcast their fights. Briggs was Man Enough when others failed.

Right about here enter l'l floydy TBE TUE as America's replacement squeak toy...only in boxing, folks!!!!

[Willie Pep 229]

Who's replying to whom? I can't parse the quotes.

[Dr. Z]

>>> How do you know Vitali never sought a rematch with Bryd? Again Byrd was locked in fighting Don King fighters for a while. I pointed out here VK fought three EE fighter's in title shots. And mentioned he had fought at least five EE fighters.

Now they have to be in the top ten? What are these moving goal posts by you? Of course Vitaly challenged EE fighter N Valuev for a title match. Valuev refused. He was ranked.

Take my advice and take the defeat. Vitali fought all types of fighters. Southpaws, small heavies, large heavies, Cubans, African Americans, Eastern Europeans... He ducked no man.

Lmao......what defeat? What Top 10 ring fighters did he fight. Adamek, that's it. I've asked this question from the get go. Charr and Sosnowski were 3rd rated contenders with a WBC ranking only. And please don't pretend Vits tried to fight Valuev. He wanted a rematch clause, and if he lost the rematch options on Valuevs next fight with a rematch clause for that. Why no Chageav, Ibragimov, Boystov, Lihokivich, Maskaev, Valuev, Povetkin, Virchis, Dimitrenko, Pulev? That's ten EE fighters ranked in the top ten of the Ring, yet no fights. His brother made many of these fight, but not Vits. These are facts you have no answers for. So take my advice and take the defeat. Besides the Byrd rematch, Vits ducked a lot of men.[/QUOTE]


>>> You didn't take my advice. I showed you point blank that Vitali fought three EE fighters for title shots, and at least 5 total. You were clearly wrong to say he fought none! And he tried to fight Valeuv who was raked in the top ten. Value passed on the money and the chance for a title shot. A fight with Maskev would have happened but Sam Pater beat him. Perhaps your memory is faulty. When was Boystov ranked for a few months? And Virchis who Vitali beat in the amateurs? When was he ranked? Wlad fought Povetkin, Chageav, and Ibragimov. Vitali does not have to fight everyone who beat Wald,

There are your answers.Sure keep thinking it was Vitali who ducked the Byrd re-match. Byrd never called for it nor did his promoters. Proof please... why do I get the hunch you have nothing but negative comments? Comments which I have pointed out and corrected you are often wrong.

[Ivich]

Vitali Eider Klitchko.

- - Same ol' regurgitated French fried snails that you marinate your ignorance in.

Boxrec rankings as of September 5^{th, 2010} while Vitali, Wlad, and David Haye were all putting together their fights,, ie Boxrec the largest of the few ranking orgs that rank more than 10 or 15 fighters in a division.

(notes)

1. Wlad

2. Vitali

3. Haye (already backed out of one signed and sealed contract and refused recent 50/50 offer by the Klitschkos, signing to defend against Audley Harrison in spite of repeated denials that he was even in negotiations)
4. Adamek (pending to allow cuts to heal, but apparently fighting Maddalone in Dec)
5. Chagaev (beat badly by Wlad and currently Haye’s mandatory)
6. Povetkin (refused to sign negotiated agreement to challenge in Wlad’s last defense, thus losing his 2 yr long mandatory ranking, not to mention his trainer, Teddy Atlas, says Povetkin is not yet ready to challenge for the title.)
7. Valuev (interesting deal was almost put together against Vitali, but out into next year with left shoulder/wrist surgery, and as it turned, he never returned. Haye in 2009 was his last bout)
8. Peter (beat badly by Wlad 2x/Vitali 1x)
9. Thompson (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
10. Chambers (beat badly by Wlad and still rebuilding)
11. Arreola (beat badly by Vitali and still rebuilding)
12. Dimitrenko (new EBU champ, but turned down Klitschko offers, maybe building into a much bigger promotion in the next year of two)
13. Gomez (beat badly by Vitali and a last ditch opponent for now)
14. Sexton (busy being knocked out by Chisora)
15. Boytsov (maybe in the future, but only 24 and shaking off the rust after coming back from hand surgery, now is not his time, maybe a year or two in a bigger promotion)
16. Austin (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
17. Helenius (very promising prospect recently breaking into fringe contender. Maybe a year or two away in a much bigger promotion)
18. Solis (chubby growing into a blimp with promoter problems looking like he’s moving to challenge for the WBA cheese belt, not the Klitschkos)
19. Pianeta (who dat?)
20. T Ibragimov (The lesser talented of the Russian Iggys, his cousin already lost a shutout against Wlad)
21. Sosnowski (beat badly by Vitali and rebuilding against Dimitrenko)
22. Ustinov (undefeated Russian Bigfoot monster promoted by Ks and wants a Kbro. I’m guessing Vitali’s retirement fight if he makes it past Briggs and can’t sign Haye or Valuev)
23. Holyfield (Oh, brother, where art thou buried? Jeez…..)
24. Platov (who? See Pianeta!)
25. Johnson (beat worse than badly by Vitali……..please, watching Vitali try to stuff a giant squash into a blender would be better stuffing for a Saturday night turkey……..nevermore…….nevermore…….)

Say HELLO to one Shannon The Cannon Briggs, lifelong asthmaholic, part time wastrel, yet all while breaking the all time first round KO record first officially recorded by Jack Dempsey in his all time tear through the heavy division. Briggs has 31 first round KOs, unofficially 32 but for failing a post fight drug test, probably a positive test result for ganja. Briggs is unabashedly Jamaican after all.

Briggs finds himself square in the middle in his 3rd opportune “Dream ” when Haye, Adamek, and Povetkin all shut down and beat strategic retreats rather than to fight the brothers in a losing cause. As the “2x” champ with an established name, Briggs should bring in the business once the promotion starts touting his KO record.

This just a typical slice of the K era that emasculated American boxing and boxing fans so badly that American networks refused to broadcast their fights. Briggs was Man Enough when others failed.

Right about here enter l'l floydy TBE TUE as America's replacement squeak toy...only in boxing, folks!!!!
[/QUOTE]

Box Recs ratings are laughable We are discussing VITALI not his brother acting in synch with him, each taking the opponents tjhat were problematical for each other.

[Ivich]

Lmao......what defeat? What Top 10 ring fighters did he fight. Adamek, that's it. I've asked this question from the get go. Charr and Sosnowski were 3rd rated contenders with a WBC ranking only. And please don't pretend Vits tried to fight Valuev. He wanted a rematch clause, and if he lost the rematch options on Valuevs next fight with a rematch clause for that. Why no Chageav, Ibragimov, Boystov, Lihokivich, Maskaev, Valuev, Povetkin, Virchis, Dimitrenko, Pulev? That's ten EE fighters ranked in the top ten of the Ring, yet no fights. His brother made many of these fight, but not Vits. These are facts you have no answers for. So take my advice and take the defeat. Besides the Byrd rematch, Vits ducked a lot of men.

>>> You didn't take my advice. I showed you point blank that Vitali fought three EE fighters for title shots, and at least 5 total. You were clearly wrong to say he fought none! And he tried to fight Valeuv who was raked in the top ten. Value passed on the money and the chance for a title shot. A fight with Maskev would have happened but Sam Pater beat him. Perhaps your memory is faulty. When was Boystov ranked for a few months? And Virchis who Vitali beat in the amateurs? When was he ranked? Wlad fought Povetkin, Chageav, and Ibragimov. Vitali does not have to fight everyone who beat Wald,

There are your answers.Sure keep thinking it was Vitali who ducked the Byrd re-match. Byrd never called for it nor did his promoters. Proof please... why do I get the hunch you have nothing but negative comments? Comments which I have pointed out and corrected you are often wrong.[/QUOTE]
He specified TOP European fighters in his first post,not the third raters he fought instead,they do not count.

Where is your proof Vitali wanted Byrd again?