Southpaw Heavyweight Ranked Contenders? 1924-2023

[JAB5239]

Lmao......what defeat? What Top 10 ring fighters did he fight. Adamek, that's it. I've asked this question from the get go. Charr and Sosnowski were 3rd rated contenders with a WBC ranking only. And please don't pretend Vits tried to fight Valuev. He wanted a rematch clause, and if he lost the rematch options on Valuevs next fight with a rematch clause for that. Why no Chageav, Ibragimov, Boystov, Lihokivich, Maskaev, Valuev, Povetkin, Virchis, Dimitrenko, Pulev? That's ten EE fighters ranked in the top ten of the Ring, yet no fights. His brother made many of these fight, but not Vits. These are facts you have no answers for. So take my advice and take the defeat. Besides the Byrd rematch, Vits ducked a lot of men.

>>> You didn't take my advice. I showed you point blank that Vitali fought three EE fighters for title shots, and at least 5 total. You were clearly wrong to say he fought none! And he tried to fight Valeuv who was raked in the top ten. Value passed on the money and the chance for a title shot. A fight with Maskev would have happened but Sam Pater beat him. Perhaps your memory is faulty. When was Boystov ranked for a few months? And Virchis who Vitali beat in the amateurs? When was he ranked? Wlad fought Povetkin, Chageav, and Ibragimov. Vitali does not have to fight everyone who beat Wald,

There are your answers.Sure keep thinking it was Vitali who ducked the Byrd re-match. Byrd never called for it nor did his promoters. Proof please... why do I get the hunch you have nothing but negative comments? Comments which I have pointed out and corrected you are often wrong.[/QUOTE]

I said top 10 EE fighters of which he fought one. I've already admitted I was wrong for forgetting about Adamek, but the other two were not Ring ranked. You don't know a fight with Maskaev would have happened. He had ample time to fight him for several years before that but didn't. The Valuev nonsense has already been explained to you, and he wasn't the only fighter to complain of this (see David Haye). Who cares what happened in the amatuers. Does that mean they shouldn't fight as ranked props? It has no bearing. Boystov was ranked seventh at the 2009 year end ratings. Vits missed fighting 9 out of those top 10 fighters....amazing!! No need said Vits had to fight everyone Wlad beat, but damn he fought the dregs instead. Wlad fought the best fighters which I why I rate him highly. So answer my question please.....why didn't Vits fight any other top 10 ring rated heavyweight his entire career besides the former lightheavyweight? I hate to say it, but the only thing you corrected me on was Adamek. You have no other answers for anything else.

[Dr. Z]

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>>> You didn't take my advice. I showed you point blank that Vitali fought three EE fighters for title shots, and at least 5 total. You were clearly wrong to say he fought none! And he tried to fight Valeuv who was raked in the top ten. Value passed on the money and the chance for a title shot. A fight with Maskev would have happened but Sam Pater beat him. Perhaps your memory is faulty. When was Boystov ranked for a few months? And Virchis who Vitali beat in the amateurs? When was he ranked? Wlad fought Povetkin, Chageav, and Ibragimov. Vitali does not have to fight everyone who beat Wald,

There are your answers.Sure keep thinking it was Vitali who ducked the Byrd re-match. Byrd never called for it nor did his promoters. Proof please... why do I get the hunch you have nothing but negative comments? Comments which I have pointed out and corrected you are often wrong.

I said top 10 EE fighters of which he fought one. I've already admitted I was wrong for forgetting about Adamek, but the other two were not Ring ranked. You don't know a fight with Maskaev would have happened. He had ample time to fight him for several years before that but didn't. The Valuev nonsense has already been explained to you, and he wasn't the only fighter to complain of this (see David Haye). Who cares what happened in the amatuers. Does that mean they shouldn't fight as ranked props? It has no bearing. Boystov was ranked seventh at the 2009 year end ratings. Vits missed fighting 9 out of those top 10 fighters....amazing!! No need said Vits had to fight everyone Wlad beat, but damn he fought the dregs instead. Wlad fought the best fighters which I why I rate him highly. So answer my question please.....why didn't Vits fight any other top 10 ring rated heavyweight his entire career besides the former lightheavyweight? I hate to say it, but the only thing you corrected me on was Adamek. You have no other answers for anything else.

>>> LOL, The Maskaev fight could have happened. He fought Peter and lost. So Vitali fought him instead. Yes, you missed on Adamek ( a rare admission by you ) and you were clearly wrong that VK did not fight any EE fighters. Very much so . He fought at least five of them. That is two mistakes right there.

Now you are grasping at straws that VK should have for the 7th ranked fighter for one year (Boytov ) who had beaten nobody of note. VK fought 10 ring magazine ranked fighters! Man you are really reaching there, and VK would have blown the small Boystov out if that fight would have happened.

VK did better than Wlad vs the same fighters... Sanders, Purity, and Peter. You can look it up.

I have provided answers only to watch you scramble for words, and move the goal posts way back from your initial false statements.

VK never got a chance for a re-match with Lewis that's a fact, nor did Chris Byrd reach out for a rematch with him! I asked for our proof of this which you have none.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n31962124]

>>> You didn't take my advice. I showed you point blank that Vitali fought three EE fighters for title shots, and at least 5 total. You were clearly wrong to say he fought none! And he tried to fight Valeuv who was raked in the top ten. Value passed on the money and the chance for a title shot. A fight with Maskev would have happened but Sam Pater beat him. Perhaps your memory is faulty. When was Boystov ranked for a few months? And Virchis who Vitali beat in the amateurs? When was he ranked? Wlad fought Povetkin, Chageav, and Ibragimov. Vitali does not have to fight everyone who beat Wald,

There are your answers.Sure keep thinking it was Vitali who ducked the Byrd re-match. Byrd never called for it nor did his promoters. Proof please... why do I get the hunch you have nothing but negative comments? Comments which I have pointed out and corrected you are often wrong.






>>> LOL, The Maskaev fight could have happened. He fought Peter and lost. So Vitali fought him instead. Yes, you missed on Adamek ( a rare admission by you ) and you were clearly wrong that VK did not fight any EE fighters. Very much so . He fought at least five of them. That is two mistakes right there.

Now you are grasping at straws that VK should have for the 7th ranked fighter for one year (Boytov ) who had beaten nobody of note. VK fought 10 ring magazine ranked fighters! Man you are really reaching there, and VK would have blown the small Boystov out if that fight would have happened.

VK did better than Wlad vs the same fighters... Sanders, Purity, and Peter. You can look it up.

I have provided answers only to watch you scramble for words, and move the goal posts way back from your initial false statements.

VK never got a chance for a re-match with Lewis that's a fact, nor did Chris Byrd reach out for a rematch with him! I asked for our proof of this which you have none.

I never said he didn't fight EE fighters. I said he didn't fight any top 10 EE fighters...besides the former light heavyweight Adamek. Please stop trying to pretend I said something I didnt...it unbecoming.

Of course Vits would have blown out Boystov. Just like he did Byrd, right? Unfortunately we'll never know because he didn't fight him.

Vits did better against mutual opposition? So what. Wlad tested himself against better opposition and styles make fights.

And stop saying he never got a chance to rematch Byrd. The onus was on him, not the winner. You love to avoid the facts and not answer the questions. Why didnt Vits fight the EE guys ive named? Why didn't he seek the Byrd rematch after losing? Its not up to the winner to prove themselves.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n31962124]

>>> You didn't take my advice. I showed you point blank that Vitali fought three EE fighters for title shots, and at least 5 total. You were clearly wrong to say he fought none! And he tried to fight Valeuv who was raked in the top ten. Value passed on the money and the chance for a title shot. A fight with Maskev would have happened but Sam Pater beat him. Perhaps your memory is faulty. When was Boystov ranked for a few months? And Virchis who Vitali beat in the amateurs? When was he ranked? Wlad fought Povetkin, Chageav, and Ibragimov. Vitali does not have to fight everyone who beat Wald,

There are your answers.Sure keep thinking it was Vitali who ducked the Byrd re-match. Byrd never called for it nor did his promoters. Proof please... why do I get the hunch you have nothing but negative comments? Comments which I have pointed out and corrected you are often wrong.






>>> LOL, The Maskaev fight could have happened. He fought Peter and lost. So Vitali fought him instead. Yes, you missed on Adamek ( a rare admission by you ) and you were clearly wrong that VK did not fight any EE fighters. Very much so . He fought at least five of them. That is two mistakes right there.

Now you are grasping at straws that VK should have for the 7th ranked fighter for one year (Boytov ) who had beaten nobody of note. VK fought 10 ring magazine ranked fighters! Man you are really reaching there, and VK would have blown the small Boystov out if that fight would have happened.

VK did better than Wlad vs the same fighters... Sanders, Purity, and Peter. You can look it up.

I have provided answers only to watch you scramble for words, and move the goal posts way back from your initial false statements.

VK never got a chance for a re-match with Lewis that's a fact, nor did Chris Byrd reach out for a rematch with him! I asked for our proof of this which you have none.

Byrd was the winner,why should he reach out? The onus was on Vitali to seek revenge!
Byrd took that fight on 10 days notice and conceded 34lbs,
Byrd got in there with;
Holyfield
Wlad x2
Ibeabuchi
Oquendo
Williamson
Cooper
Tua
Golota
Povetkin
McCline
Better opponents than Vitali faced in 98% of his fights
Byrd proved he had big balls . The idea that he avoided cherry picker Vitali is absurd.

[Dr. Z]

No, so YOU say.

No. Look at ring magazine ratings system in the top ten, you dope.

Today there are 3 ranked southpaws in boxing's top 10 heavyweights. They are Usyk, Ortiz, the Zhang. Southpaws.

Now this is your thread. If you want to talk about the super heavyweight Olympic and World Amateur Champion. The undefeated professional prospect ( 12 -0, 12 KO's ) Jalolov, who in my opinion is one of the best two heavyweight prospects in the world, I can educate you. He happens to be a southpaw too.

[Ivich]

No. Look at ring magazine ratings system in the top ten, you dope.



Now this is your thread. If you want to talk about the super heavyweight Olympic and World Amateur Champion. The undefeated professional prospect ( 12 -0, 12 KO's ) Jalolov, who in my opinion is one of the best two heavyweight prospects in the world, I can educate you. He happens to be a southpaw too.

Yes its my thread and you've hijacked it doing your best to turn it into a Vitali Ass Licking Session.
You educate anyone! You're illiterate fella!
If you want to talk about Jalolov ,12 pro fights in5 years, or anyone else, make your own ****ing thread about them!

[Dr. Z]

Yes its my thread and you've hijacked it doing your best to turn it into a Vitali Ass Licking Session.
You educate anyone! You're illiterate fella!
If you want to talk about Jalolov ,12 pro fights in5 years, or anyone else, make your own ****ing thread about them!

I was not talking negatively about Vitali. You always are. I was talking about ranked southpaw in my reply to you. That is after all the point of the tread. Ranked southpaws. You are boxing illiterate! I can't help you on that.

No. Look at ring magazine ratings system in the top ten, you dope.



Now this is your thread. If you want to talk about the super heavyweight Olympic and World Amateur Champion. The undefeated professional prospect ( 12 -0, 12 KO's ) Jalolov, who in my opinion is one of the best two heavyweight prospects in the world, I can educate you. He happens to be a southpaw too.

[Dr. Z]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;n31962240]

I never said he didn't fight EE fighters. I said he didn't fight any top 10 EE fighters...besides the former light heavyweight Adamek. Please stop trying to pretend I said something I didnt...it unbecoming.

Of course Vits would have blown out Boystov. Just like he did Byrd, right? Unfortunately we'll never know because he didn't fight him.

Vits did better against mutual opposition? So what. Wlad tested himself against better opposition and styles make fights.

And stop saying he never got a chance to rematch Byrd. The onus was on him, not the winner. You love to avoid the facts and not answer the questions. Why didnt Vits fight the EE guys ive named? Why didn't he seek the Byrd rematch after losing? Its not up to the winner to prove themselves.

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Come on, 28 ring top 10 fighter missed in favor of the crap the WBC gave him instead. He fought none of the top eastern euros. He didn't fight Ruiz or Toney and quit against Byrd. Ad on the other hand fought the best fighters he could including most of the best EE fighters. Vits career was carefully crafted. - Jab

What is carefully crafted? Please explain and you don't hold the same standards for the other fighters, do you?

Sure Ruiz and Toney would fight VK. Dream on and show me where the is proof VK would not take the Ruiz and Toney fight! Show me where there is proof he didn't seek out of declined a rematch vs Byrd. You got none. Yep. You only have an agenda here on these points.

But Lewis quit when was cornered into fighting VK or lose his last belt. The WBC order the rematch, many millions were three for both fighter to be made, and Lewis told the press he do it, but when he was forced to do so, he didn't!

Whose fault was that?

[QueensburyRules]

- - Same ol' regurgitated French fried snails that you marinate your ignorance in.

Boxrec rankings as of September 5^{th, 2010} while Vitali, Wlad, and David Haye were all putting together their fights,, ie Boxrec the largest of the few ranking orgs that rank more than 10 or 15 fighters in a division.

(notes)

1. Wlad

2. Vitali

3. Haye (already backed out of one signed and sealed contract and refused recent 50/50 offer by the Klitschkos, signing to defend against Audley Harrison in spite of repeated denials that he was even in negotiations)
4. Adamek (pending to allow cuts to heal, but apparently fighting Maddalone in Dec)
5. Chagaev (beat badly by Wlad and currently Haye’s mandatory)
6. Povetkin (refused to sign negotiated agreement to challenge in Wlad’s last defense, thus losing his 2 yr long mandatory ranking, not to mention his trainer, Teddy Atlas, says Povetkin is not yet ready to challenge for the title.)
7. Valuev (interesting deal was almost put together against Vitali, but out into next year with left shoulder/wrist surgery, and as it turned, he never returned. Haye in 2009 was his last bout)
8. Peter (beat badly by Wlad 2x/Vitali 1x)
9. Thompson (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
10. Chambers (beat badly by Wlad and still rebuilding)
11. Arreola (beat badly by Vitali and still rebuilding)
12. Dimitrenko (new EBU champ, but turned down Klitschko offers, maybe building into a much bigger promotion in the next year of two)
13. Gomez (beat badly by Vitali and a last ditch opponent for now)
14. Sexton (busy being knocked out by Chisora)
15. Boytsov (maybe in the future, but only 24 and shaking off the rust after coming back from hand surgery, now is not his time, maybe a year or two in a bigger promotion)
16. Austin (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
17. Helenius (very promising prospect recently breaking into fringe contender. Maybe a year or two away in a much bigger promotion)
18. Solis (chubby growing into a blimp with promoter problems looking like he’s moving to challenge for the WBA cheese belt, not the Klitschkos)
19. Pianeta (who dat?)
20. T Ibragimov (The lesser talented of the Russian Iggys, his cousin already lost a shutout against Wlad)
21. Sosnowski (beat badly by Vitali and rebuilding against Dimitrenko)
22. Ustinov (undefeated Russian Bigfoot monster promoted by Ks and wants a Kbro. I’m guessing Vitali’s retirement fight if he makes it past Briggs and can’t sign Haye or Valuev)
23. Holyfield (Oh, brother, where art thou buried? Jeez…..)
24. Platov (who? See Pianeta!)
25. Johnson (beat worse than badly by Vitali……..please, watching Vitali try to stuff a giant squash into a blender would be better stuffing for a Saturday night turkey……..nevermore…….nevermore…….)

Say HELLO to one Shannon The Cannon Briggs, lifelong asthmaholic, part time wastrel, yet all while breaking the all time first round KO record first officially recorded by Jack Dempsey in his all time tear through the heavy division. Briggs has 31 first round KOs, unofficially 32 but for failing a post fight drug test, probably a positive test result for ganja. Briggs is unabashedly Jamaican after all.

Briggs finds himself square in the middle in his 3rd opportune “Dream ” when Haye, Adamek, and Povetkin all shut down and beat strategic retreats rather than to fight the brothers in a losing cause. As the “2x” champ with an established name, Briggs should bring in the business once the promotion starts touting his KO record.

This just a typical slice of the K era that emasculated American boxing and boxing fans so badly that American networks refused to broadcast their fights. Briggs was Man Enough when others failed.

Right about here enter l'l floydy TBE TUE as America's replacement squeak toy...only in boxing, folks!!!!

Box Recs ratings are laughable We are discussing VITALI not his brother acting in synch with him, each taking the opponents tjhat were problematical for each other.[/QUOTE]

- - You cannot discuss Vit without Wlad and vice versa. They eliminated near every fighter who dared fight them no matter the ranking such that American broadcasters were too embarrassed to expose just how sorry American heavyweights were. Tony Thompson the only decent American Heavy in their era that would fight them.

You're laughable believing Ring and Doogie ratings are legit any more than WBC or ABC rankings.

What Boxrec does is eliminate innate human biases and fills out rankings with more than top ten, and often Ring and others look at Boxrec rankings to closely mirror their rankings.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n31962599]

page of of this thread.

[SIZE=16px]What is carefully crafted? Please explain and you don't hold the same standards for the other fighters, do you?

Sure Ruiz and Toney would fight VK. Dream on and show me where the is proof VK would not take the Ruiz and Toney fight! Show me where there is proof he didn't seek out of declined a rematch vs Byrd. You got none. Yep. You only have an agenda here on these points.

But Lewis quit when was cornered into fighting VK or lose his last belt. The WBC order the rematch, many millions were three for both fighter to be made, and Lewis told the press he do it, but when he was forced to do so, he didn't!

Whose fault was that?[

Why wouldn't Ruiz or Toney fight Vits? Ruiz fought a higher level of competition during his career. As boring as he was he still took on all comers. Lmao at you even questioning Toney who called out the "Frankenstein " brothers for years!

You want me to show you proof he didn't seek out a rematch with Byrd? OK it's simple, because a rematch never happened. The fact is he did not try to rematch Byrd even though it was on him to do so because he lost.

Lewis retired after WINNING. That is far different than losing and never redeeming yourself...something Lewis did after both his losses. I find it comical you want to slam Lewis for retiring after winning, but you have no problem with Vits carrying on with his career and never looking to fight Byrd again.

By the way, you never answered my question as to why Vits didn't fight any of the top 10 EE heavies I mentioned. So answer me this. Did Lewis miss out on fighting more top 10 southpaws or Vits fighting top 10 eastern european heavyweights?

It's was a good fighter, but his career is way overrated in my opinion.