Joe Louis v Corrie Sanders?

[DeeMoney]

As was stated above, these are heavyweights- anything can happen. That being written, I see Louis winning this fight more often than not. For certain, Sanders being a southpaw throws an aura of uncertainty into any prediction, but I just see Louis straight right coming down the pipe sooner or later.

And though Sanders is a more modern heavy, he's not a giant superheavy, who could just impose his size or reach on Louis. Two inches in height in one in reach aren't enough to let him jab and hug.

Louis can be a bit chinny, so maybe Sanders puts him on the deck, but in most cases I'd see him getting up and putting Sanders down for the count.

[JAB5239]

I'm reading lots of avoidance in this ALL TOO DISMISSIVE thread. Nate Tubbs has nothing to do with an on-fire Louis and an on-fire Sanders. NO DOUBT Sanders would be aware of who Joe was in a hypothetical match-up and prepare to the best of his abilitiy. He'd be up for it, just as we can presume that our mighty IDOL Louis would be up for it.

Its a BIG pill to swallow, the likes of a past contender possibly bettering a cherished all-time great fighter. Its also a valid matchup.

This isn't church. Such matchups are fun.

Presumably, the greasy dismissive responses in off-handed defense of Louis will continue. Such are telling.

An "on fire" Louis is simply a better puncher in combination and precision than Sanders. He was also far more experienced against top competition. The point with Tubbs is Nate was no where near the puncher of Louis and starched Corrie with a right hand. He did this because Sanders always carried his left low. Louis would certainly recognize that. Tubbs also wasn't a great mover but seemed to handle Corries speed and movement quite easily. Now would Sanders have a chance? Of course he would. But if I were to bet given what I know about both men I would certainly pick Louis. My pick of course does not make it a fact as this is an impossible fight to call because it's make believe. The pick itself had nothing to do with Tubbs, only what he exposed in Sanders.

[Willie Pep 229]

Why does the Sanders, who lost to Nate Tubs in 1994. look older that the Sanders when won/lost to the Brothers Klitschko ten years later?

It isn't just the mustache. His jowls look older too. It's as if he had a face-lift in between.

Or the later Sanders was a different person altogether. How's that for a conspiracy theory?

P.S. I also wondered if the Tubs fight was fixed. They pawed at each other barely throwing, with nothing landing, and then boom, one exchange and it was over. (But it did look like a good right hand.)

[QueensburyRules]

- - Vitchy vs a spider monkey...comedy gold...

[Dr. Z]

How would a guy stopped by Nate Tubbs do against Louis?

Louis was stopped by 187 pound Marciano, a sub 200 pound Schemling, and lost to sub 200 pound Charles,. He was fortunate to win on points in what 2/3 of the press felt he lost to Walcott in a fight where he was floored twice. If 1st Conn fight was 12 rounds Louis clearly loses on points to the sub 170 pound Conn. That is five fights.

Yet you zero in on Sanders vs. Tubbs?

Sanders is unlike ANY of Louis' top opponents. He was a legit puncher, perhaps the best or second best Louis faced. No worse than third best. But I focus on the guys who landed. He a southpaw and to be frank all of the men I mentioned had no problem landing on Louis. None. And Sanders had very fast hands and relatively quick feet. He was 220 pounds in shape. Style wise he has a height and reach advantage. Louis was slow to adapt. Could he vs a southpaw of Sanders speed and size?

Sanders is far better than old time fans want to admit and would likely have no problem landing on Louis. Sanders was stuck with a 2nd rate trainer and a 3rd rate promoter. It's not like he had Jack Blackburn in his corner!

So who wins? Whoever lands their best stuff likely wins via Knockout. It's a pick em' fight.

[Ivich]

Louis was stopped by 187 pound Marciano, a sub 200 pound Schemling, and lost to sub 200 pound Charles,. He was fortunate to win on points in what 2/3 of the press felt he lost to Walcott in a fight where he was floored twice. If 1st Conn fight was 12 rounds Louis clearly loses on points to the sub 170 pound Conn. That is five fights.

Yet you zero in on Sanders vs. Tubbs?

Sanders is unlike ANY of Louis' top opponents. He was a legit puncher, perhaps the best or second best Louis faced. No worse than third best. But I focus on the guys who landed. He a southpaw and to be frank all of the men I mentioned had no problem landing on Louis. None. And Sanders had very fast hands and relatively quick feet. He was 220 pounds in shape. Style wise he has a height and reach advantage. Louis was slow to adapt. Could he vs a southpaw of Sanders speed and size?

Sanders is far better than old time fans want to admit and would likely have no problem landing on Louis. Sanders was stuck with a 2nd rate trainer and a 3rd rate promoter. It's not like he had Jack Blackburn in his corner!

So who wins? Whoever lands their best stuff likely wins via Knockout. It's a pick em' fight.

Hating on Louis again?
Louis was stopped by Marciano when he was 37 years old and had no business being in a boxing ring

.Louis was stopped by SCHMELING, correct spelling , and Max had to land a ton of right hands to accomplish it.

Louis was beaten by Charles when he came out of a 2years and 3 months retirement.


"Sanders is unlike ANY of Louis' top opponents. He was a legit puncher?"

Schmeling,Max Baer,Walcott ,Galento, were not legit punchers?

[JAB5239]

Louis was stopped by 187 pound Marciano, a sub 200 pound Schemling, and lost to sub 200 pound Charles,. He was fortunate to win on points in what 2/3 of the press felt he lost to Walcott in a fight where he was floored twice. If 1st Conn fight was 12 rounds Louis clearly loses on points to the sub 170 pound Conn. That is five fights.

Yet you zero in on Sanders vs. Tubbs?

Sanders is unlike ANY of Louis' top opponents. He was a legit puncher, perhaps the best or second best Louis faced. No worse than third best. But I focus on the guys who landed. He a southpaw and to be frank all of the men I mentioned had no problem landing on Louis. None. And Sanders had very fast hands and relatively quick feet. He was 220 pounds in shape. Style wise he has a height and reach advantage. Louis was slow to adapt. Could he vs a southpaw of Sanders speed and size?

Sanders is far better than old time fans want to admit and would likely have no problem landing on Louis. Sanders was stuck with a 2nd rate trainer and a 3rd rate promoter. It's not like he had Jack Blackburn in his corner!

So who wins? Whoever lands their best stuff likely wins via Knockout. It's a pick em' fight.

I used Tubbs because it's relevant. I could use Rahman if you would like. No matter who I use Sanders is still dropping that left hand, and Louis would see that and capitalize in my opinion. As far as Joe's losses go, we know he hardly trained for the first Schmeling fight and saw what happened when he trained for the second. His other losses were far past his best and all those fighter were ATG's or near ATG's. We can't say the same for Tubbs or Rahman.

Corrie certainly has a punchers chance, it's just can't see him getting the job done though.

[them_apples]

When Sanders was on, he was a good fighter. So many times, he shows up fat and lazy. He was in shape when he fought Wald. He was fat and lazy when he fought Vitali. If the lazy Sanders shows up, then Louis easy. In shape Sanders much harder fight for Joe.

Saunders was a very heavy puncher. But very limited in other categories. The skill gap is too wide for him to not get bombed out by Louis.

[kara]

Saunders was a very heavy puncher. But very limited in other categories. The skill gap is too wide for him to not get bombed out by Louis.

He would have to get lucky like he did with Wlad

[Willie Pep 229]

I used Tubbs because it's relevant. I could use Rahman if you would like. No matter who I use Sanders is still dropping that left hand, and Louis would see that and capitalize in my opinion. As far as Joe's losses go, we know he hardly trained for the first Schmeling fight and saw what happened when he trained for the second. His other losses were far past his best and all those fighter were ATG's or near ATG's. We can't say the same for Tubbs or Rahman.

Corrie certainly has a punchers chance, it's just can't see him getting the job done though.

We know Louis didn't train for the first Schmeling fight? Never heard that.

Can you share more?