Who makes it into each of your tiers for Light Heavyweight

[DeeMoney]

Whatever you want to use for the definition of each, however many you want to put into them. Just asking it be based on them as a Lt Heavyweight. Rank the best Light Heavies ever in these top few tiers:

All Time Greats-
Greats-
Very Goods-

[Slugfester]

Top of the line, in no order:


Foster
Fitzsimmons
Tunney
Loughran
Charles
Moore
Greb
Langford
M. Spinks
Roy Jones
Conn

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=DeeMoney;n31903610]Whatever you want to use for the definition of each, however many you want to put into them. Just asking it be based on them as a Lt Heavyweight. Rank the best Light Heavies ever in these top few tiers:

All Time Greats-
Greats-
Very G

ATG No Order
Moore
Foster
Conn
Spinks
Langford
Tunney
Greb
Charles
Loughran
Jones

V G No Order
H Johnson
Delaney
Lewis
Saad
Dillon
Berlenbach
Mustafa Muhammad
Qawi
Rosenbloom
Ftzsimmons

G No Order
Maxim
Marshall
Bivins
Choynski
Conteh
Galindez
Pastrano
Torres
Hill
M Johnson

[QueensburyRules]

Whatever you want to use for the definition of each, however many you want to put into them. Just asking it be based on them as a Lt Heavyweight. Rank the best Light Heavies ever in these top few tiers:

All Time Greats-
Greats-
Very Goods-

- - Archie Moore and Mike Spinks are my favs that I have also seen a lot of their fights.

Greatest is just a beauty contest for 2 dimensional lineal thinkers. They and Sam Langford could be greatest in any era.

[Willow The Wisp]

Subjective terms - Subjective lists.
Nothin' wrong with that; I love me some lists:

All Time Greats-
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Harry Greb
Bob Foster
Tommy Loughran
Michael Spinks
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jack Dillon
Charles Kid McCoy
Billy Miske
Philadelphia Jack O'Brian
Roy Jones Jr.
Billy Conn
Battling Levinski
Georges Carpentier
Tommy Gibbons
Jack Delaney
Young Stribling
John Henry Lewis
Jimmy Slattery
Jimmy Bivins


Greats-
Paul Berlenbach
Maxie Rosenbloom
Jack Root
Harold Johnson
Jeff Clarke
Kid Norfolk
Victor Galindez
Mickey Walker
Jose Torres
Mike McTigue
Lloyd Marshall
George Gardner


Near Greats-
Dariusz Michalczewski
Joey Maxim
Battling Siki
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Freddie Mills
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Virgil Hill
Michael Moorer
**** Tiger
Willie Pastrano
Gus Lesnevich
Ad Stone
Jack Bonner

Very Goods-
Too many to mention.....(semantics)..but:
Anton Christoforidis
Bob Godwin
John Conteh
Melio Bettina
Joe Knight
Marvin Johnson
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
Tiger Jack Fox
Al Gainer
Adonis Stevenson
Bernard Hopkins
Lou Scozza
Doug Jones
Antonio Tarver
Sergey Kovalev
Mauro Mina
Fabrice Tiozzo
Eddie Cotton
Dmitrii Bivol
"Irish" Bob Murphy
Glen Johnson
James Scott
Artur Beterbiev
Len Hutchins
Chad Dawson
Tony Anthony
Yaqui Lopez
Lonnie Bennett
George Courtney
Yvon Durelle
Leonard Morrow
Eddie Huffman
Henry Maske
Vicente Rondon
Zsolt Erdei
Yale Okum
Harry "Kid" Matthews
Oakland Billy Smith
Pete Latzo
Jorge Ahumada
Bobby Czyz
Mike Rossman
George "Johnny" Nichols
Richie Kates
Huberto Loayza
Louisiana Martin Burke
Jean Pascal
Murray Sutherland
Pierre Fourie
Charley Belanger
Bob McAllister
Avenamar Peralta
Henry Hall
Jimmy Webb
Mustafa Wasajja
Gustav Scholz
Jesse Burnett
Dennis Andries
Michael "Zulu Kid" Flammia
Al Stillman
Eric Harding
Mike Quarry
Graciano Rocchigiani
Harry Krohn

[them_apples]

Subjective terms - Subjective lists.
Nothin' wrong with that; I love me some lists:

All Time Greats-
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Harry Greb
Bob Foster
Tommy Loughran
Michael Spinks
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jack Dillon
Charles Kid McCoy
Billy Miske
Philadelphia Jack O'Brian
Roy Jones Jr.
Billy Conn
Battling Levinski
Georges Carpentier
Tommy Gibbons
Jack Delaney
Young Stribling
John Henry Lewis
Jimmy Slattery
Jimmy Bivins


Greats-
Paul Berlenbach
Maxie Rosenbloom
Jack Root
Harold Johnson
Jeff Clarke
Kid Norfolk
Victor Galindez
Mickey Walker
Jose Torres
Mike McTigue
Lloyd Marshall
George Gardner


Near Greats-
Dariusz Michalczewski
Joey Maxim
Battling Siki
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Freddie Mills
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Virgil Hill
Michael Moorer
**** Tiger
Willie Pastrano
Gus Lesnevich
Ad Stone
Jack Bonner

Very Goods-
Too many to mention.....(semantics)..but:
Anton Christoforidis
Bob Godwin
John Conteh
Melio Bettina
Joe Knight
Marvin Johnson
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
Tiger Jack Fox
Al Gainer
Adonis Stevenson
Bernard Hopkins
Lou Scozza
Doug Jones
Antonio Tarver
Sergey Kovalev
Mauro Mina
Fabrice Tiozzo
Eddie Cotton
Dmitrii Bivol
"Irish" Bob Murphy
Glen Johnson
James Scott
Artur Beterbiev
Len Hutchins
Chad Dawson
Tony Anthony
Yaqui Lopez
Lonnie Bennett
George Courtney
Yvon Durelle
Leonard Morrow
Eddie Huffman
Henry Maske
Vicente Rondon
Zsolt Erdei
Yale Okum
Harry "Kid" Matthews
Oakland Billy Smith
Pete Latzo
Jorge Ahumada
Bobby Czyz
Mike Rossman
George "Johnny" Nichols
Richie Kates
Huberto Loayza
Louisiana Martin Burke
Jean Pascal
Murray Sutherland
Pierre Fourie
Charley Belanger
Bob McAllister
Avenamar Peralta
Henry Hall
Jimmy Webb
Mustafa Wasajja
Gustav Scholz
Jesse Burnett
Dennis Andries
Michael "Zulu Kid" Flammia
Al Stillman
Eric Harding
Mike Quarry
Graciano Rocchigiani
Harry Krohn
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Great list.

I’d prob bring Foster down a class imo though. He got starched when he moved up and didn’t fight the best competition at lhw. He fought another good but small heavyweight Doug Jones who also beat him(to show that size wasn’t the only factor) I don’t think he beats the other great lhws. Michael Moorer was a beast at lhw, but never got to prove it on his resume. Still hes underated, he moved up and beat a prime Holyfield who was similar sized.

on the otherside Joey Maxim could probably move up a notch. He fought some stiff competition - his resume is absolutely loaded with A tier opponent’s that he fought numerous times and often lost close decisions. This should be factored in when judging him.

there are some guys on the atg list that have resumes that pale in comparison to his. They had winning records, but competition is everything.

[Willow The Wisp]

Great list.

IâÃÂÃÂd prob bring Foster down a class imo though. He got starched when he moved up and didnâÃÂÃÂt fight the best competition at lhw. He fought another good but small heavyweight Doug Jones who also beat him(to show that size wasnâÂÂt the only factor) I donâÃÂÃÂt think he beats the other great lhws. Michael Moorer was a beast at lhw, but never got to prove it on his resume. Still hes underated, he moved up and beat a prime Holyfield who was similar sized.

on the otherside Joey Maxim could probably move up a notch. He fought some stiff competition - his resume is absolutely loaded with A tier opponentâs that he fought numerous times and often lost close decisions. This should be factored in when judging him.

Bob Foster's only "Flaw" was that he just didn't move up well, but his power at 175 was breathtaking, if not lifetaking. One of my favorites. And, hey Apples, thank you.

[them_apples]

Joey Maxims resume:

Archie Moore (2x), Ezzard Charles (5x!) , Joe Walcott (3x), Floyd Patterson, Jimmy Bivins, Lloyd Marshall, Eddie Machen(2x), Curtis Shappard, Henry Cooper…Ray Robinson

the list goes on. Of course he has a lot of losses.

[them_apples]

Bob Foster's only "Flaw" was that he just didn't move up well, but his power at 175 was breathtaking, if not lifetaking. One of my favorites. And, hey Apples, thank you.

My apologies on all those weird symbols, I seem to be the only one plagued by it.

[DeeMoney]

Thanks to all who have so far commented, I hope to get a lot more. I thought of this when the "almost ATG post came out", I think its interesting who, and where, and why people rank fighters (and the semantics we use).

I figured Lt Heavy would be a good class to go with, one of the original 8 classes, lots of big names, and the weight is capped (so no bias against older fighters for being too small).

Also like that my thoughts are in line with many of you.