Vitali Klitschko, the last great heavyweight

[JAB5239]

crold1


Cliff has been in threads like this before, but last time he was, a poster trolled him hard and questioned his journalistic research to a degree so that he left. I don't know if he will try getting in here again.

And that poster was Dr. Z if I'm not mistaken. Funny thing is if you haven't noticed, he is no longer rating Solis even though he was so adamant with Cliff about him being wrong.

[BattlingNelson]

And that poster was Dr. Z if I'm not mistaken. Funny thing is if you haven't noticed, he is no longer rating Solis even though he was so adamant with Cliff about him being wrong.

That's correct.

Still Dr. Z should be treated fairly just as Bundana writes.

[IronDanHamza]

I always consider The Ring rankings the go-to rankings when I rank fighters wins. I’ve been doing so for 50+ years and they date back to double that time.

But that list of Vitali’s top 10 ranked opponents have to be the worst in history?

That really is truly a shockingly poor list of “top 10 ranked” wins.

[JAB5239]

That's correct.

Still Dr. Z should be treated fairly just as Bundana writes.

As far as debating goes I agree. That's just me though. I do not however think he is fair nor honest, and his posts in my opinion show this quite openly. I have no problem with differences of opinions. You and I have had plenty on this very topic, and we've agreed on plenty more. It is what it is.

[Ivich]

Really, Jackson does not appear where in the 1957 annual ring rankings. Where are you getting this data?

The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 1957


As selected by The Ring magazine in the February 1958 issue.

Floyd Patterson, Champion Eddie Machen Zora Folley Willie Pastrano Roy Harris Pat McMurtry Nino Valdes Mike DeJohn Wayne Bethea Alex Miteff Ingemar Johansson

He doesn't appear in the 1957 ratings because he fought Patterson in JUN 1956. In an eliminator for the vacant title ,beating him put Patterson in with Moore for that vacant title!

[Ivich]

crold1


Cliff has been in threads like this before, but last time he was, a poster trolled him hard and questioned his journalistic research to a degree so that he left. I don't know if he will try getting in here again.

Dr Z was that poster!

[Ivich]

On that list I count 7 contenders, who were world ranked when Patterson beat them. Isn't that what Dr. Z's original challenge was about... the number of men, and not the number of wins?

Look, I want to see Z proven wrong as much as you do (well, probably not quite as much!) - but can't we at least play fair, and do it the right way?

You may do what you wish.For me if he was clinging to a rope hanging over a mountain ,I would cut the rope.I despise liars and cheats.

[Dr. Z]

On that list I count 7 contenders, who were world ranked when Patterson beat them. Isn't that what Dr. Z's original challenge was about... the number of men, and not the number of wins?

Look, I want to see Z proven wrong as much as you do (well, probably not quite as much!) - but can't we at least play fair, and do it the right way?

The truth and posters like Ivich are often at odds. Where is he getting this information?

[Dr. Z]

And that poster was Dr. Z if I'm not mistaken. Funny thing is if you haven't noticed, he is no longer rating Solis even though he was so adamant with Cliff about him being wrong.

Oh no, I said I saw Soils ranked at the time he fought Vitali in ring magazine. Cliff is not in this discussion.

[IronDanHamza]

Oh no, I said I saw Soils ranked at the time he fought Vitali in ring magazine. Cliff is not in this discussion.

You actually brought Cliff into this discussion.

Your post on post # 148 of this thread, the article and list you’ve provided is that of Cliff Rold.