Vitali Klitschko, the last great heavyweight

[Dr. Z]

Yeah, I don't see that either. He used his length and let guys come to him. I don't think he was a huge puncher either no matter what the KO percentage says. He was certainly powerful, but he was not a knockout artist by definition. He was a very big guy who wore smaller guys down. And that's not a dig at him. He had great success against Lewis. I don't think he does that to a prime Lewis, but who knows?

He also uses his assets to engage the other guy. He produced lots to KO's and knockdowns.

[Ivich]

Yes, I think it's now fairly certain, that he beat 7 different men, who were world ranked at HW, when he fought them:

Adamek
Gomez
Peter
Sanders
Kevin Johnson
Arreola
Williams

Johnson and Williams were journeymen Sander a part time boxer/golfer.
It's a very thin resume and one that does not deserve the adjective great attached to it imo,which is a pity because he would probably have beaten many of those 28 names he so scrupulously avoided.
Unfortunately for his legacy ,you don't get greatness conferred on you for what might have been,but only for what actually was.
Anyway we have established Vitali fought and beat 7 Ring ranked men,and lost to 2 others.
AJ now has 4 ,and right now nobody is thinking in terms of greatness as far as he is concerned.

[Ivich]

So you admit you wrong, Vitali beat more than six ranked men when he fought them. You have no intention of honor bet! Nor do you have prove being your work for the other fighters. If you have older issues of Ring magazine you might up your count a bit.

You bet lost , say you ,ten find more wins other fighter
Fourteen fighters more wins have than seven.
Schmeling 8
Baer 9
Sharkey 10
Frazier 8
Walcott 10
Charles 13
Ali 25
Lewis 12
Holmes 12
Tyson 10
Patterson 9
Holyfield 12
Liston 8
Louis 26

Total 14
You bet have lost,goal posts three times by you moved .
Know everyone , honored bet you did not.so now all is good .
You Internet Pariah.Me like this very much!

[Dr. Z]

Old man, you can't read and have been banned many times before. Who cares about your lies? Patterson has beaten 8 contenders when they were ranked at Heavyweight? Care to name them?

[Ivich]

Old man, you can't read and have been banned many times before. Who cares about your lies? Patterson has beaten 8 contenders when they were ranked at Heavyweight? Care to name them?

Bonavena 72 . no 4
Chuvalo 65, no5
Machen 64. no6
Johansson61. no1.
Johansson 60.Champ
Harris 58 . no4
Jackson 57 . no1
Jackson56 . no3
Moore 56. no1

9 Contenders! =2 More than Vitali !

Patterson is often castigated for avoiding contenders, yet he beat 3 number 1 contenders, I number3 contender,2 number 4,
1 number 5, 1 number 6, and 2 heavyweight champions.
That's a damn sight better resume than Vitalis!

NB I might be old but, unlike yourself I can both read and write! lol

[Dr. Z]

Bonavena 72 . no 4
Chuvalo 65, no5
Machen 64. no6
Johansson61. no1.
Johansson 60.Champ
Harris 58 . no4
Jackson 57 . no1
Jackson56 . no3
Moore 56. no1

9 Contenders! =2 More than Vitali !

Patterson is often castigated for avoiding contenders, yet he beat 3 number 1 contenders, I number3 contender,2 number 4,
1 number 5, 1 number 6, and 2 heavyweight champions.
That's a damn sight better resume than Vitalis!

NB I might be old but, unlike yourself I can both read and write! lol

Really, Jackson does not appear where in the 1957 annual ring rankings. Where are you getting this data?

The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 1957


As selected by The Ring magazine in the February 1958 issue.

Floyd Patterson, Champion Eddie Machen Zora Folley Willie Pastrano Roy Harris Pat McMurtry Nino Valdes Mike DeJohn Wayne Bethea Alex Miteff Ingemar Johansson

[Bundana]

Bonavena 72 . no 4
Chuvalo 65, no5
Machen 64. no6
Johansson61. no1.
Johansson 60.Champ
Harris 58 . no4
Jackson 57 . no1
Jackson56 . no3
Moore 56. no1

9 Contenders! =2 More than Vitali !

Patterson is often castigated for avoiding contenders, yet he beat 3 number 1 contenders, I number3 contender,2 number 4,
1 number 5, 1 number 6, and 2 heavyweight champions.
That's a damn sight better resume than Vitalis!

NB I might be old but, unlike yourself I can both read and write! lol

On that list I count 7 contenders, who were world ranked when Patterson beat them. Isn't that what Dr. Z's original challenge was about... the number of men, and not the number of wins?

Look, I want to see Z proven wrong as much as you do (well, probably not quite as much!) - but can't we at least play fair, and do it the right way?

[BattlingNelson]

If Cliff said it it’s probably true.

I believe he writes for The Ring magazine or did.

He’s really good with those rankings, if he’s saying they’re ranked there then chances are they probably are.

He has an account on here I don’t know how to tag people, I believe his name is “Crold”

Would to great for him to clarify.

crold1


Cliff has been in threads like this before, but last time he was, a poster trolled him hard and questioned his journalistic research to a degree so that he left. I don't know if he will try getting in here again.

[JAB5239]

So you admit you wrong, Vitali beat more than six ranked men when he fought them. You have no intention of honor bet! Nor do you have prove being your work for the other fighters. If you have older issues of Ring magazine you might up your count a bit.

That was never the bet you scrub. The bet was 10 fighters who beat more Ring ranked opponents than Vits. It was easily done, yet here you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[JAB5239]

He also uses his assets to engage the other guy. He produced lots to KO's and knockdowns.

Yes he did. The the point I made still stands. It's not an insult against him, but an educated opinion.