Vitali Klitschko, the last great heavyweight

[JAB5239]

- - Vit is a great Hvy, one of the most dominate ever along with Wlad. Your insecurity with foreign fighters betrays your well deserved lower status.

OP makes another over the top nonsensical post that you swallow hook, line, and sinker.

Vits isn't close to Wlad and his resume stinks. I have no problem with foreign fighters, but I'm not gonna sit idle while scumbags like you make things up and lie to raise the bar on certain fighters and degrade others.

[QueensburyRules]

Vits isn't close to Wlad and his resume stinks. I have no problem with foreign fighters, but I'm not gonna sit idle while scumbags like you make things up and lie to raise the bar on certain fighters and degrade others.

- - pue de toi...

[Dr. Z]

The bet was .Was the Fitz v Ruhlin fight filmed? It wasn't.You reneged on your bet, so what does that make you?
A LYING SCUM BAG.
I SINCERELY HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL FOR THE LIES THAT ROLL OFF YOUR CANCEROUS TONGUE

I don't wish anyone for go to hell , but people some people well they get what they deserve. I am not your judge. You told numerous lies, admit to giving money to a group that does terrorism, joined a cult of possible d@vil worship among other things. Do you still claim 137 IQ You know what you've done. Liar, liar. Be silent! Hold your forked tongue behind you cheek.

[Dr. Z]

I'll look it over, and than I'll explain again to you why Vits resume is so hollow.

We're waiting. Name ten better and remember the rules which we are judging them on, the ranked ring magazine fighters at heavyweight when the fought them. Come prepared with proof.

[Willow The Wisp]

Let's unpack the body of work....

Note:
Opponents are classified by their ability at the time of the fight with the fighters being reviewed (Vitali, in this case), but that classification is Informed by past AND subsequent performances as well. The Reason for that approach is that the Ring Ratings have a very long history of over-ranking prospective contenders who shortly later show that they should never have been so highly ranked. This historically contrasts to the Victory Sports Stanley Weston publication rankings, that typically gave greater value to proven track records in their ratings compilation approach than the committee did at The Ring. Finding examples of this methodology contrast a simple errand).

Vitali Klitschko's career best opponents:
Career: 1996 - 2012. Record: 45-2-0 (41)

A - Elite Class = 3 (1 Win)
Lennox Lewis, 40-2-1. 2003. *** LOSS ***
Chris Byrd, 31-1-0. 2000. *** LOSS ***
Corrie Sanders, 39-2-0. 2004

B - Contender Class = 8
Tomaz Adamek, 44-1-0. 2011
Chris Arreola, 27-0-0. 2009
Samuel Peter, 30-1-0. 2008
Shannon Briggs, 51-5-1. 2010. (Older)
Larry Donald, 39-2-2. 2002
Danny Williams, 32-3-0. 2004
Juan Carlos Gomez, 44-1-0. 2009
Derek Chisora, 15-2-0. 2012

C - Fringe Contender Class = 7
Herbie Hide, 31-1-0. 1999
Kirk Johnson, 34-1-1. 2003
Odlanier Solis, 17-0-0. 2011
Manuel Charr, 21-0-0. 2012
Timo Hoffman, 22-0-0. 2000
Orlin Norris, 51-6-0. 2001. (Older)
Vaughn Bean, 42-2-0. 2002

D - Gatekeeper/Prospect Class = 9
Kingpin Johnson, 22-0-1. 2009
Albert Sosnowski, 45-2-1. 2010
Obed Sullivan, 34-5-1. 1999
Ed Mahone, 21-1-2. 1999
Mario Schiesser, 36-3-1. 1998
****y Ryan, 46-3-0. 1998
Ross Puritty, 28-14-3. 2001
Julius Francis, 18-3-0. 1998
Marcus Rhode, 20-7-0. 1998

E - Sub - Top 50 Class and below:
20 Opponents

Next, we can do another top Heavyweight and see where Vitali really stacks up, in Real Measure, against the likes of Patterson, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Briggs, Lewis, Wladimir Klitschko, Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Ruiz Jr. And Usyk, for example.
Very doable for adults who can accept that the classifications determination would be evenly applied, so that the thread wouldn't veer off into minutiaville where we argue over important questions like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

.......and a friendly and respectful reminder for this pub to remain civil.

[JAB5239]

We're waiting. Name ten better and remember the rules which we are judging them on, the ranked ring magazine fighters at heavyweight when the fought them. Come prepared with proof.

I'm on my time, not yours kid. I'll get to it when I'm good and ready. Just like I got the names of not the ten you asked for, but 15 heavyweight with better resumes than Vits that had you tuck tail and run off. You're quickly becoming a laughingstock on here.

[JAB5239]

Let's unpack the body of work....

Note:
Opponents are classified by their ability at the time of the fight with the fighters being reviewed (Vitali, in this case), but that classification is Informed by past AND subsequent performances as well. The Reason for that approach is that the Ring Ratings have a very long history of over-ranking prospective contenders who shortly later show that they should never have been so highly ranked. This historically contrasts to the Victory Sports Stanley Weston publication rankings, that typically gave greater value to proven track records in their ratings compilation approach than the committee did at The Ring. Finding examples of this methodology contrast a simple errand).

Vitali Klitschko's career best opponents:
Career: 1996 - 2012. Record: 45-2-0 (41)

A - Elite Class = 3 (1 Win)
Lennox Lewis, 40-2-1. 2003. *** LOSS ***
Chris Byrd, 31-1-0. 2000. *** LOSS ***
Corrie Sanders, 39-2-0. 2004

B - Contender Class = 8
Tomaz Adamek, 44-1-0. 2011
Chris Arreola, 27-0-0. 2009
Samuel Peter, 30-1-0. 2008
Shannon Briggs, 51-5-1. 2010. (Older)
Larry Donald, 39-2-2. 2002
Danny Williams, 32-3-0. 2004
Juan Carlos Gomez, 44-1-0. 2009
Derek Chisora, 15-2-0. 2012

C - Fringe Contender Class = 7
Herbie Hide, 31-1-0. 1999
Kirk Johnson, 34-1-1. 2003
Odlanier Solis, 17-0-0. 2011
Manuel Charr, 21-0-0. 2012
Timo Hoffman, 22-0-0. 2000
Orlin Norris, 51-6-0. 2001. (Older)
Vaughn Bean, 42-2-0. 2002

D - Gatekeeper/Prospect Class = 9
Kingpin Johnson, 22-0-1. 2009
Albert Sosnowski, 45-2-1. 2010
Obed Sullivan, 34-5-1. 1999
Ed Mahone, 21-1-2. 1999
Mario Schiesser, 36-3-1. 1998
****y Ryan, 46-3-0. 1998
Ross Puritty, 28-14-3. 2001
Julius Francis, 18-3-0. 1998
Marcus Rhode, 20-7-0. 1998

E - Sub - Top 50 Class and below:
20 Opponents

Next, we can do another top Heavyweight and see where Vitali really stacks up, in Real Measure, against the likes of Patterson, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Briggs, Lewis, Wladimir Klitschko, Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Ruiz Jr. And Usyk, for example.
Very doable for adults who can accept that the classifications determination would be evenly applied, so that the thread wouldn't veer off into minutiaville where we argue over important questions like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

.......and a friendly and respectful reminder for this pub to remain civil.

Not a bad criteria at all. I'm definitely not opposed to it. I do take minor exception to Sanders being in the elite category though. He had one top ten win his entire career.

[mrbig1]

Not a bad criteria at all. I'm definitely not opposed to it. I do take minor exception to Sanders being in the elite category though. He had one top ten win his entire career.

I will agree with you. However, He was a skill and smart fighter. fought in a very weak era. I will give Lewis and Vitali a lot of credit. lewis was suppose to fight Kirk Johnson who pull out 2 or 3 weeks before. Vitali step in. Who in their right mind would fight Vitali with only a few weeks to prepare.

[Dr. Z]

I'm on my time, not yours kid. I'll get to it when I'm good and ready. Just like I got the names of not the ten you asked for, but 15 heavyweight with better resumes than Vits that had you tuck tail and run off. You're quickly becoming a laughingstock on here.

Okay kiddo, mourn your loss first. But after you do I expect your to honor what you say. Show me who beat more ranked ring magazine opponents when the fought them at heavyweight with proof! You said Vitali did not face good competition so this should be too hard for you.

[JAB5239]

Okay kiddo, mourn your loss first. But after you do I expect your to honor what you say. Show me who beat more ranked ring magazine opponents when the fought them at heavyweight with proof! You said Vitali did not face good competition so this should be too hard for you.

Competition is based on more than just a ring ranking. Many of the guys he fought that were ranked didn't last very long in the top 10. That much turnover signifies a weak era.