Vitali Klitschko, the last great heavyweight

[Willow The Wisp]

...So he's not an ATG to you, then?

All time is vague. You seem to want to press for an answer. Mine is that I know PED users who were better than James Toney.

[Willow The Wisp]

We can discuss, I know all the details. There is a context.

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[IronDanHamza]

He may or may not be. He's tainted by his steroid use.

Certainly he shouldn't be put in the same category as ATGs who performed while being clean, in my opinion.

..But you literally just said people who have tested positive for PED's can't be an ATG?

[IronDanHamza]

All time is vague. You seem to want to press for an answer. Mine is that I know PED users who were better than James Toney.

No, I'm asking a very simple question.

Right me too, I also know 100+ people who weren't PED users who were better than James Toney who was a PED user so it's neither here nor there

[ShoulderRoll]

..But you literally just said people who have tested positive for PED's can't be an ATG?

PED users shouldn't be put on the same pedestal as ATGs who were clean, yes.

[IronDanHamza]

PED users shouldn't be put on the same pedestal as ATGs who were clean, yes.

Ok, so you've flip flopped and instantly changed your stance then.

Because I've literally just asked you what PED use disqualifies you from and you answered "ATG Status".

[ShoulderRoll]

Ok, so you've flip flopped and instantly changed your stance then.

Because I've literally just asked you what PED use disqualifies you from and you answered "ATG Status".

I'm just giving you more context to my answer.

But that's my opinion. How about you, are steroid users ATGs in your book?

[IronDanHamza]

I'm just giving you more context to my answer.

But that's my opinion. How about you, are steroid users ATGs in your book?

You said PED use disqualifies you from being an ATG.

Do you stand on that opinion or not?

My opinion is I don't care but it's you that brought PED's into this conversation regarding Vitali.

[QueensburyRules]

I could see it. I could also see Lewis dropping him. That right uppercut on the inside was lethal. And his 1-2 could also be a disaster for Fury, who went down many times against Wilder a much less refined boxer.

- - Lewie and Fury would both melt like spilt snowcones sizzling on a summer sidewalk at the thought of fighting each other.

[JT1]

Bit short of an ATG for me. Not enough big wins. Somewhere between very good and great. some might even say very good. Not great tho.