Who was the best fighter Vitali Klitschko beat?

[Dr. Z]

Amateur success doesn't always translate into professional success. Solis and many other Olympic champions are proof of this. As I said to Ivich, Ray Austin was his best win. Had he gone one to be a fixture in the top 10 I would call him a solid win. As it stands his career, judging by top level boxing standards, was a disappointment.

I agree with your top five for Vits, but not necessarily in that order.

He both a World Amateur Champion and Olympic Champion . That type rarely busts as pro's. Not one but multiple golds he won.

Barrett was who was rated in the top ten, I think is his best win. You're are right he is an under achiever as a pro.

[ShoulderRoll]

I think you missed Solis name while putting together a giant " master piece " of work. Seriously the effort in reaching 100's of fights is fantastic the fact that I'm pretty sure you missed a name means very little in the grand scheme of things. Check the Ring Magazine ratings before the fight and during it. They fought in March 2011 do look for Soils name in RIng Magazine issues in February, March, and April. DO NOT CHECK IN JUNE! Vitali had already beaten him in March 2011 and Soils slide out of the rankings by then. It has noting to due on where you care for Solis or not. I'm trying to help you on an oversight. So check the months I suggested. I'm fairly certain he was ranked 9th by Ring Magazine when they fought.

I'll send you a PM.

Regards

Dr. Z.

The reality is that Solis wasn't in the Ring rankings. Time to just let that go, I think.

[Ivich]

The reality is that Solis wasn't in the Ring rankings. Time to just let that go, I think.

I know whom I believe .

[JAB5239]

He both a World Amateur Champion and Olympic Champion . That type rarely busts as pro's. Not one but multiple golds he won.

Barrett was who was rated in the top ten, I think is his best win. You're are right he is an under achiever as a pro.

Barrett had lost 5 of his last 10 fights leading up to Solis, so I can't agree with you there.

Howard Davis springs immediately to mind when comparing amateur success vs professional success. More times than not great amateurs can transition into being good professional fighters. Not all become elite though. When Solis started his career I had him pegged as a future great. In my opinion he didn't pan out, mostly because of laziness, not an inability to transition professionally. He was a dirt poor Cuban who never had any freedom. When he got a taste of freedom and the good life he got lazy and tried living off his laurels instead of retaining a strong work ethic. This of course is just my opinion.

[Ivich]

Barrett had lost 5 of his last 10 fights leading up to Solis, so I can't agree with you there.

Howard Davis springs immediately to mind when comparing amateur success vs professional success. More times than not great amateurs can transition into being good professional fighters. Not all become elite though. When Solis started his career I had him pegged as a future great. In my opinion he didn't pan out, mostly because of laziness, not an inability to transition professionally. He was a dirt poor Cuban who never had any freedom. When he got a taste of freedom and the good life he got lazy and tried living off his laurels instead of retaining a strong work ethic. This of course is just my opinion.

Jimmy Glenn, Davis' trainer told me money ruined Davis.

Audley Harrison won gold at super heavy. but proved to be a failure as a pro.

[Willie Pep 229]

Jimmy Glenn, Davis' trainer told me money ruined Davis.

Audley Harrison won gold at super heavy. but proved to be a failure as a pro.

How do we know it wasn't Jimmy Glenn's fault?

An another absolute based on a bias source, that's your MO and I just don't think much of it.

Called me the child names you will; I don't like disparaging fighters based on quotes by sources with obvious motives to be bias.

Maybe it true, but you don't know the whole story so how about evaluating the quotes you post instead of deluding yourself into thinking they're facts.

You don't really know what ruined Davis so how about posting that quote with a touch of fence sitting and hand wringing? It would make your posts a touch more respectful to the fighter.

[ShoulderRoll]

How do we know it wasn't Jimmy Glenn's fault?

An another absolute based on a bias source, that's your MO and I just don't think much of it.

Called me the child names you will; I don't like disparaging fighters based on quotes by sources with obvious motives to be bias.

Maybe it true, but you don't know the whole story so how about evaluating the quotes you post instead of deluding yourself into thinking they're facts.

You don't really know what ruined Davis so how about posting that quote with a touch of fence sitting and hand wringing? It would make your posts a touch more respectful to the fighter.

That's such a weird take.

Most people would probably prefer to hear from sources like a fighter or his trainer, or to get info from newspaper articles of the time.

You on the other hand seem to want to eliminate all primary sources and replace them with whatever your opinion is.

[Willie Pep 229]

That's such a weird take.

Most people would probably prefer to hear from sources like a fighter or his trainer, or to get info from newspaper articles of the time.

You on the other hand seem to want to eliminate all primary sources and replace them with whatever your opinion is.

Yea . . It probably is seems that way . . . but we have to be careful of trainers; sometimes they protect their own image at the expense of the fighter.

Sometimes they understand the fighter better than he understands himself.



The quote is good food for thought but shouldn't be accepted as an end all to the discussion.

Your last remark, according to Ivch, can't be correct. I have no opinions, that's what pisses him off so.

Also your use of "eliminate" is just plain wrong. I want to include every primary source and then hold them under a microscope for evaluation.

[Ivich]

How do we know it wasn't Jimmy Glenn's fault?

An another absolute based on a bias source, that's your MO and I just don't think much of it.

Called me the child names you will; I don't like disparaging fighters based on quotes by sources with obvious motives to be bias.

Maybe it true, but you don't know the whole story so how about evaluating the quotes you post instead of deluding yourself into thinking they're facts.

You don't really know what ruined Davis so how about posting that quote with a touch of fence sitting and hand wringing? It would make your posts a touch more respectful to the fighter.

Dear oh Dear! You sure do have a problem don't you.
Did I say

"money ruined Davis?" or did I say

"Jimmy Glenn told me money ruined Davis?"

You don't actually know what an absolute is do you.

Do yourself a favor ,do some research on Jimmy Glenn and let me know if you come up with anything negative anybody has to say about him.

I met him and spent 5 nights in his company drinking in his bar he didnt drink.

I found him to be an absolute gentleman.

What exactly would be the obvious motive for disparaging Davis?

This may surprise you, but I couldn't care less what you think about my posts or me,I reserve that for people I respect,and right now ,you dont merit that!

Mr Willie Won't He.

ps You've just mugged yourself! lol

Here educate yourself you sad creature!
Jimmy Glenn's resume;
Jimmy Glenn, 89, died on May 7 2020 of COVID-19.

He served as Trainer or Cut Man for:

• Floyd Patterson
• Michael Spinks
• Monte Barrett
• Jameel McCline
• Bobby Cassidy
• Glenn Robinson
• Aaron Davis
• John Wesley Meekins
• Howard Davis
• Terrence Alli
• Mark McPherson
• Kevin Hill
• Ralph Correa
• Imamu Mayfield
• Jimmy Lange
• Travis Peterkin

Boxing Trainer


Glenn was an amateur boxer who once fought Floyd Patterson. He moved on to become a famous boxing trainer, opening the famed Times Square Boxing Gym in the 1970s. Muhammad Ali would train there when in Manhattan. The gym took in many kids from tough neighborhoods, many who became top Golden Gloves boxers. He told the New York Post he “started helping kids out on the street. The PAL gym was sold to a church, so I talked to the reverend and he let us train the kids on the top floor. We gave parties to raise money.” Jimmy’s Corner


Glenn opened the fabled bar Jimmy’s Corner in Times Square in 1971. It was a blue-collar spot serving cheap beer and other spirits but no food. Still there, today it is surrounded by trendy restaurants, but Jimmy’s Corner is the same no-frills bar popular with locals and tourists.

https://twitter.com/TeddyAtlasReal/s...960065/photo/2

Jimmy Glenn (1930-2020) - The Ring (ringtv.com)

[Ivich]

Yea . . It probably is seems that way . . . but we have to be careful of trainers; sometimes they protect their own image at the expense of the fighter.

Sometimes they understand the fighter better than he understands himself.



The quote is good food for thought but shouldn't be accepted as an end all to the discussion.

Your last remark, according to Ivch, can't be correct. I have no opinions, that's what pisses him off so.

Also your use of "eliminate" is just plain wrong. I want to include every primary source and then hold them under a microscope for evaluation.

You've no opinions about fighters only posters.


Its okay for you to ascribe "obvious motives for Jimmy Glenn to talk negatively about Davis

But not for me to post a quote from Glenn, you hypocritical little nobody.

Jimmy was ten times the man you will ever be!