Bob Foster v Georges Carpentier at175lbs?

[ShoulderRoll]

Bob Foster smokes him.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Willow The Wisp;n31506317]

I disagree. In fact, I'd call that absurdly inaccurate. You are a frequent arguing poster, but I don't bother with that. I do enjoy dialog with you (or anyone who knows anything about the subject), but I would put it out there, however that another well versed poster posting here and now calls Georges Carpentier the best fighter on continental Europe pre WWII. Bar none./QUOTE]

I give my opinion, and on my own thread I hope that's allowed? I'm quite prepared to defend my views with anyone,in fact I welcome it.
If we all agreed I don't think there would be much point in having a forum !
This "well versed poster ,"states Carpentier was the best fighter on continental Europe preWW2?"

Now that is absurdly inaccurate!
Better than;
Wilde
Lynch
Driscoll
Moran
Welsh
Berg
Lewis
McAvoy
Kane
Milligan

What are Carpentier's best wins?
Jeff Smith
A joke dsq over Gunboat Smith
A win over Battling Levinsky
A win over Lewis when he hit Lewis on the break.

He avoided Greb

[ShoulderRoll]

I disagree. In fact, I'd call that absurdly inaccurate. You are a frequent arguing poster, but I don't bother with that. I do enjoy dialog with you (or anyone who knows anything about the subject), but I would put it out there, however that another well versed poster posting here and now calls Georges Carpentier the best fighter on continental Europe pre WWII. Bar none.

I give my opinion, and on my own thread I hope that's allowed? I'm quite prepared to defend my views with anyone,in fact I welcome it.
If we all agreed I don't think there would be much point in having a forum !
This "well versed poster ,"states Carpentier was the best fighter on continental Europe preWW2?"

Now that is absurdly inaccurate!
Better than;
Wilde
Lynch
Driscoll
Moran
Welsh
Berg
Lewis
McAvoy
Kane
Milligan

What are Carpentier's best wins?
Jeff Smith
A joke dsq over Gunboat Smith
A win over Battling Levinsky
A win over Lewis when he hit Lewis on the break.

He avoided Greb

The UK is not continental Europe.

[Ivich]

The UK is not continental Europe.

It's part of Europe.Who did Carpentier beat to merit the statement?
GunBoat Smith on a ludicrous foul ,.Battling Levinsky ,who hid behind the No Decision for years and Jeff Smith/

[Willow The Wisp]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n31506678]

I disagree. In fact, I'd call that absurdly inaccurate. You are a frequent arguing poster, but I don't bother with that. I do enjoy dialog with you (or anyone who knows anything about the subject), but I would put it out there, however that another well versed poster posting here and now calls Georges Carpentier the best fighter on continental Europe pre WWII. Bar none./QUOTE]

I give my opinion, and on my own thread I hope that's allowed? I'm quite prepared to defend my views with anyone,in fact I welcome it.
If we all agreed I don't think there would be much point in having a forum !
This "well versed poster ,"states Carpentier was the best fighter on continental Europe preWW2?"

Now that is absurdly inaccurate!
Better than;
Wilde
Lynch
Driscoll
Moran
Welsh
Berg
Lewis
McAvoy
Kane
Milligan

What are Carpentier's best wins?
Jeff Smith
A joke dsq over Gunboat Smith
A win over Battling Levinsky
A win over Lewis when he hit Lewis on the break.

He avoided Greb

Of course, you have my full blessing to express your thoughts! And moreover, I value your thoughts, as you must know; and I value my own as well. Carpentier was the quintessential boxer-puncher in what many regard as boxing's most talent-rich decade, and a big puncher. And I just like the cut of his jib.
Ed "Gunboat" Smith, Battling Levinsky, "Bombardier" Billy Wells, Jeff Smith, Harry Lewis, Young Joseph, Willie Lewis, George Gunther, Ted "Kid" Lewis and George Cook represent an unimpeachable level of conquests.
Jimmy Wilde, Benny Lynch, Jim Driscoll, Owen Moran, Freddie Welsh, Jack Kid Berg, Ted Kid Lewis, Jock McAvoy, Peter Kane and Tommy Milligan were British, not Continental European fighters, ya big ol' dummy.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Willow The Wisp;n31506810]

Of course, you have my full blessing to express your thoughts! And moreover, I value your thoughts, as you must know; and I value my own as well. Carpentier was the quintessential boxer-puncher in what many regard as boxing's most talent-rich decade, and a big puncher. And I just like the cut of his jib.
Ed "Gunboat" Smith, Battling Levinsky, "Bombardier" Billy Wells, Jeff Smith, Harry Lewis, Young Joseph, Willie Lewis, George Gunther, Ted "Kid" Lewis and George Cook represent an unimpeachable level of conquests.
Jimmy Wilde, Benny Lynch, Jim Driscoll, Owen Moran, Freddie Welsh, Jack Kid Berg, Ted Kid Lewis, Jock McAvoy, Peter Kane and Tommy Milligan were British, not Continental European fighters, ya big ol' dummy.

George Cook was 6-10-1 and never more than a journeyman Gunther 27-24-20 & 33-29=21 .? Who did he beat? Lewis, Joseph Who did he beat?,Wells all were Euro level Kid Lewis was giving away a ton of weight 18lbs and was hit on the break it should have been a dsq or No Contest.


The verdict against Gunboat was farcical.

One of the most outrageous decisions ever given in Great Britain ended the 'Gunboat' Smith - Georges Carpentier worlds white heavyweight championship fight abruptly in the 6th round in the Olympia Stadium last night when the American was declared loser on a foul. Smith dropped Carpentier with a right on the jaw, then wheeled around ready to administer the finishing blow. Carpentier started to get up on his knees but he lost his balance and dropped again. Smith's second blow barely grazed his head. As the American stepped over Carpentier's prostrate form, one of the latter's seconds jumped in the ring, but referee Corri waved him back, presumably with the intention of allowing the bout to proceed. Carpentier's manager Francois Descamps, however, sent several of his assistants into the ring. They lifted the French fighter up and dragged him to his corner. Corri then disqualified Smith and left the ring. More than 15,000 sportsmen who occupied the auditorium were bewildered at Corri's act and pandemonium broke loose. Smith's manager, James Buckley, declared Carpentier had disqualified himself by reason of the entrance of his seconds in the ring and insisted the Frenchman had succeeded in triumphing by an artful French trick." - Hammond Lake County Times
Carpentier couldn't carry Marcel Thil's gloves!

[billeau2]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n31506678]

I disagree. In fact, I'd call that absurdly inaccurate. You are a frequent arguing poster, but I don't bother with that. I do enjoy dialog with you (or anyone who knows anything about the subject), but I would put it out there, however that another well versed poster posting here and now calls Georges Carpentier the best fighter on continental Europe pre WWII. Bar none./QUOTE]

I give my opinion, and on my own thread I hope that's allowed? I'm quite prepared to defend my views with anyone,in fact I welcome it.
If we all agreed I don't think there would be much point in having a forum !
This "well versed poster ,"states Carpentier was the best fighter on continental Europe preWW2?"

Now that is absurdly inaccurate!
Better than;
Wilde
Lynch
Driscoll
Moran
Welsh
Berg
Lewis
McAvoy
Kane
Milligan

What are Carpentier's best wins?
Jeff Smith
A joke dsq over Gunboat Smith
A win over Battling Levinsky
A win over Lewis when he hit Lewis on the break.

He avoided Greb

I actually think it showed intelligence to avoid Greb. Carpentier was brave, but apparently smart about sizing risk up. I also think you canmake your point without qualifying Carpentier's every win... With the caveat that Sikhi fix was reprehensible and indeed does deserve to be qualified. Gunboat was always dangerous, though I would imagine he was quite old by the time he fought Carpentier? a win by DQ is still a win though.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=billeau2;n31507064]

I actually think it showed intelligence to avoid Greb. Carpentier was brave, but apparently smart about sizing risk up. I also think you canmake your point without qualifying Carpentier's every win... With the caveat that Sikhi fix was reprehensible and indeed does deserve to be qualified. Gunboat was always dangerous, though I would imagine he was quite old by the time he fought Carpentier? a win by DQ is still a win though.

Carpentier had plenty of guts Tunney beat him up badly.Smith knocked Carpentier down the Frenchman began to rise Smith launched a punch at him but the Frenchman' s knee had gone back down on the floor the blow hardly grazed the top of Carpentier's head.The referee instantly dq'd Smith .it was a total nonsense. My point is this is line is BS. " represent an unimpeachable level of conquests." Cook, Joseph,Gunther,were also rans,beating them meant nothing at world level.I posted the truth and I'm happy to debate it.

[Willie Pep 229]

[QUOTE=billeau2;n31507064]

I actually think it showed intelligence to avoid Greb. Carpentier was brave, but apparently smart about sizing risk up. I also think you canmake your point without qualifying Carpentier's every win... With the caveat that Sikhi fix was reprehensible and indeed does deserve to be qualified. Gunboat was always dangerous, though I would imagine he was quite old by the time he fought Carpentier? a win by DQ is still a win though.

I don't think Greb was at the time popular enough to warrant Carpentier crossing the pond for such a fight. Dempsey and Tunney were big money for Carpentier, promoted by Rickard.

In 1922 the best Greb's people could guarantee (Pttsburg promoter) was a 100K and that was for a Dempsey fight. Don't see how they could pull off a Carpentier fight.

I don't know if Greb was connected to Rickard but while we today think of him as 'great' I don't think Greb could generate enough money to draw the likes of Carpentier to come to America to fight him.

Too often people think these missed fights are based on fighters being afraid of a particular opponent. Most often it's about the money nothing more, but boy guys on this forum just love to call great fighters cowards. The word duck is so ******** overused by posters who never research past the statistics and never look at the outside realities of the day.

If you want to understand prize fighting you have to learn America history, and all the players involved not just the fighters. Stats don't tell the whole story, never have.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n31507174]

I don't think Greb was at the time popukarvenough to warrant Carpentier crossing the pond for such a fight. Dempsey and Tunney were big money for Carpentier, promoted by Rickard.

In 1922 the best Greb's people could guarantee (Puttsburg promoter) was a 100K and that was fir a Dempsey fight. Don't see how they could pull offva Carpentier fight.

I don't know if Greb was connected to Rickard but while we today think of him as 'great' I don't think Greb could generate enough money to draw the likes of Carpentier to come to America to fight him.

To often people think these missed fights are based on fighters being afraid of a particular opponent. Most often it's about the money nothing more, but boy guys on this forum just love to call great fighters cowards. The word duck is so ******** overused by posters who never research past the statistics and never look at the outside realities of the day.

If you want to understand prize fighting you have to learn America history, and all the players involved not just the fighters. Stats don't tell the whole story, never have.

After winning the LHvy title Carpentier had a further 13 fights,7 of them were in the US .Only3 of them in France.