Bob Foster v Georges Carpentier at175lbs?

[QueensburyRules]

Hugely overrated going by his resume and proclivity to get knocked out. His status as a war hero is why he is remembered.

- - Fought Joe Jeannette at his best when JJohnson didn't want that fight and took him to decision.

A bit of a preening showoff with a histrionic personality popular with the public with titles from light to heavyweight is nothing to be sneered at. He was good for boxing in his day which is better than 99.9% of fighters in history.

[markusmod]

Hugely overrated going by his resume and proclivity to get knocked out. His status as a war hero is why he is remembered.

Jab throw down the gauntlet here.

[Ivich]

Rickard sold the press that Carpentier had a secret punch called the 'evil eye.' He would land the punch once in the second round. It made Dempsey look up, nothing more.

Later, Tunney would claim watching Dempsey eat that right hand convinced him he would one day beat Dempsey with it.

The press bought the 'evil eye' story because it was in everyone's best interest and the next day over emphasized the effect of the right hand, claiming it almost put Dempsey down.

Great promoter was Rickard.

IMO A few years later Carpentier gave a growing, bigger Tunney a difficult time, (film is available) he is by no means a walk over for Foster.

Tunney beat up Carpentier flooring him3 times before the fight was halted.
Attendance: 30, 000. Tunney had the better of the fight until the tenth when he gave Carpentier a frightful beating, knocking him down three times. Georges fought back heroically, but near the end of the 14th round he went down and the count was at six when the bell rang. Carpentier came out for the 15th but the referee soon stopped it because the Frenchman was in no condition to continue. There was some question that Tunney landed a low blow to floor Carpentier in the 14th, but it was reported that privately-taken films showed no indication of a foul.

[Ivich]

- - Fought Joe Jeannette at his best when JJohnson didn't want that fight and took him to decision.

A bit of a preening showoff with a histrionic personality popular with the public with titles from light to heavyweight is nothing to be sneered at. He was good for boxing in his day which is better than 99.9% of fighters in history.

Jeannette was 34 years old and had had114 fights,many thought Carp deserved the verdict.

ref: Franz Reichel
Reichel's decision was disputed by many ringside newspapers.

[Ivich]

If you look at his record you see a pattern. Excellent fighter with perhaps a bit of Del Boy disease lol. Competative with somem incredible fighters... but lost to the likes of Tunney, Gibbons, Loughrin... Only beat the battling Sikh once...

The Siki fight was a fix that went wrong Siki had agreed to go down ,but when Carp began taking liberties he reneged on the deal the referee was in on it and when Siki got the upper hand he dsq'd the Senegalese but was overruled by the French Federation Of Boxing and judges.
"Both fighters down in third; Carpentier down in fifth; Carpentier down in sixth; Bernstein disqualified Siki for tripping, but the President of the French Federation of Boxing (FFB) and ringside judges overruled him and declared Siki the victor.
On Nov. 9, 1922, the FFB revoked Siki's license and declared the French Light heavyweight Title vacant."

[KidDinamita]

Carpentier trained in private to disguise how small he was compared to Dempsey.I think him a massively overated champion.

There is a book about him, it's a good read, he started smoking at one point in his career if not mistaken for the Jack Dempsey fight, which of course didnt result good for him. Although he was a very small light heavy.

Fought in almost all the divisions from flyweight up to heavy. Pro debuted at the age of 14

[Ivich]

There is a book about him, it's a good read, he started smoking at one point in his career if not mistaken for the Jack Dempsey fight, which of course didnt result good for him. Although he was a very small light heavy.

Fought in almost all the divisions from flyweight up to heavy. Pro debuted at the age of 14

I have his autobiography.

[KidDinamita]

I have his autobiography.

It was a different difficult time as well for those fighters. he was a WW1 pilot as well, he missed 1915 - 1918 without fighting

[Willow The Wisp]

Carpentier trained in private to disguise how small he was compared to Dempsey.I think him a massively overated champion.

I disagree. In fact, I'd call that absurdly inaccurate. You are a frequent arguing poster, but I don't bother with that. I do enjoy dialog with you (or anyone who knows anything about the subject), but I would put it out there, however that another well versed poster posting here and now calls Georges Carpentier the best fighter on continental Europe pre WWII. Bar none.

[billeau2]

I disagree. In fact, I'd call that absurdly inaccurate. You are a frequent arguing poster, but I don't bother with that. I do enjoy dialog with you (or anyone who knows anything about the subject), but I would put it out there, however that another well versed poster posting here and now calls Georges Carpentier the best fighter on continental Europe pre WWII. Bar none.

The big issue would be the quality in Europe at that time... something I could not speak on. With that said I do think the Frenchman was a great fighter... He fought great competition and was competative.

As far as over/underrated I think that might be too black and white for this situation. Carpentier was a mensch... No question about that.