Another boxing Myth: Jake Lamotta was a face first brawler who got hit tons

[Ivich]

You're the only dumb **** who thinks Ryan was innovating.

The crouch is as old as boxing. It's an ancient technique used by bare knuckle fighters as well. Ryan was effective.

Also, anyone who tells me they have to watch it to understand it clearly has a reading issue. The same mother ****er being unable to keep up with context, clearly, has a ****ing reading issue.

Quit ducking me son. How TF is Usyk more relative to LaStarza than Moore?

"Ryan was considered by many one of the greatest Middleweights in boxing history. He was the World Middleweight Champion from 1898 to 1906. Some of his opponents included Mysterious Billy Smith, Kid McCoy, Tommy West, and Jack Bonner. After his retirement as a fighter he became a boxing teacher and coach. He was credited with helping devise the crouching technique for defense. During his career of 97 fights he won 82 (70 by knockout), lost 2, with 13 draws. Ryan was considered an excellent boxer-puncher and nearly unbeatable for his time."

Ducking you? I've called you out 4 times! lol

[Ivich]

Perhaps you could source and quote?

For the Brady episode? Yes I can Adam Pollack InThe Ring With James J Jeffries.

[Ivich]

thats whats he said. I can think of all sorts of things fighters say. Jake may have given off the persona that he wasn’t scared to be hit. Jake also himself said he would ride the shots and thats why he can speak clearly in old age. We can also watch tapes of him doing this.

zivic, take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Why should we disregard Zivic and believe Lamotta? George Chuvalo can speak clearly,he took plenty of flush shots to the head.

[JAB5239]

Ryan tried to turn him into a boxer,not a smart move when you are facing Corbett.
After watching the clips of his fights with Ruhlin and Sharkey,I'd call Jeffries stance a half crouch.Not trying to be a pedant.

It would agree with your assessment about it being a half couch.

I remember reading about one of Joe Louis sparring partners talking about how he would edge in closer looking smaller than he actually was until he sprung on you and started hammering home his punches. This is kind of how i think Jeff fought yet to a lesser degree and not as smooth as Louis.

[QueensburyRules]

He said so himself, he rolled the punches well.

Careful inspection of the tapes makes you realize the frame rate is too low to pick up such a subtle neck/shoulder movement. He rolled the punches quite well, he wasn't a counter puncher with his short arms, but his actual defense was very slick + his iron jaw. If you watch that old tape of him at heavyweight, the footage is slightly better and he's clearly out of shape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FidGxEOE0hA

This is the best footage I found of him, vs a heavyweight, it's not his best form. I'm not saying he's a defensive master - but hes actually got a lot more savvy than people think. When a fighter "rides the shots" it looks like they get hit, but by performing a quick subtle movement in the same direction as the punch right before impact, effectively turns the punch into a "push" because "impact" is actually the only factor that determines if it does any damage, not contact. You see guys like Ali and Duran do this all night, seemingly get hit but have no marks on their faces and never get hurt. It's hard to pick up this skill since the best guys are so subtle at it, but an easy way to tell is what they do when a punch falls short, you should see a small quick pull in whatever direction the perceived punch was coming.

Lastly, nobody can take massive blow after blow to the head and not have any ill effects.

- - Hmmm, make up a boxing myth and prove it wrong.

GENIUS!!!

[them_apples]

- - Hmmm, make up a boxing myth and prove it wrong.

GENIUS!!!

Jakes complaining about the same “myth” in the damn interview. Im glad you agree with me though

[Willie Pep 229]

It took Robinson 60 rounds to finally prove his dominance over LaMotta. Until then they were probably no more than five rounds apart in scoring.

Just how good does a guy got to fight to get some respect round here?

[Ivich]

It took Robinson 60 rounds to finally prove his dominance over LaMotta. Until then they were probably no more than five rounds apart in scoring.

Just how good does a guy got to fight to get some respect round here?

Their fights were close affairs,you usually don't fight 5 times unless they are!

[Willie Pep 229]

Their fights were close affairs,you usually don't fight 5 times unless they are!

I feel, paradoxically or with a twisted logic LaMotta's greatest achievement (or ATG legacy) isn't best expressed by his title win over Cerdan, but his multiple loses to to SRR. As I said above it took 60 rounds to figure out who was the better fighter. Considering we're talking SRR, that's an ATG resume in itself.

Sort of feel the same way about Tommy Hearns. His greatness is best expressed by his loses not his wins.

[Ivich]

I feel, paradoxically or with a twisted logic LaMotta's greatest achievement (or ATG legacy) isn't best expressed by his title win over Cerdan, but his multiple loses to to SRR. As I said above it took 60 rounds to figure out who was the better fighter. Considering we're talking SRR, that's an ATG resume in itself.

Sort of feel the same way about Tommy Hearns. His greatness is best expressed by his loses not his wins.

Jake fought his share of smaller guys,[not as many as Graziano],but he also beat;
Dauthille
Lytell
Villemain
Welch
Basora
Mitri
Williams
Raa****
Yarosz
He was the real deal.