George Foreman Is Overrated

[MikeyMike100]

Could it be? Just spitballin' here; that we are placing to great an emphasis on resume alone with Foreman? Jerry Quarry beat Alongi, Machen, Orbillo, London, Miteff, Daniels, Patterson, Spencer, Mathis, Foster, Doyle, Bodell, Corletti, Middleton, Neumann, Lyle, Shavers and Zannon, who had like 573 wins between them, as a resume qualifier; and Big George has frequently commented that Quarry was the only man he actively avoided. So do we suppose that Jerry Quarry was a better Heavyweight than Foreman was?

Quarry lost to Machen.

And no because losses are a part of your resume. Quarry almost always lost whenever he fought at top level.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Quarry and Foreman were not contemporaries save one brief slice in time when MSG offered a million dollar purse to fight Jerry, killed by exorbitant NY tax laws that sent MSG into the homeless encampments for a generation.

George got the same $$$ tax free in Japan vs Jose Roman. Point in fact because of instability in American boxing finances, he never defended his title in American nor did he win his title in America.

George has always been very generous in his musings on other fighters, so no doubt U confused his magnanimous generosity with an avoidance that never happened save once dictated by finances.

Indeed, yes. So do we suppose that Jerry Quarry was a better Heavyweight than Foreman was?

[Willow The Wisp]

Quarry lost to Machen.

And no because losses are a part of your resume. Quarry almost always lost whenever he fought at top level.

Well...tip-top level. Arguably the best big man of the 70s if Ali, Frazier, Norton, Foreman and Holmes (and maybe Ellis) were never born (Machen and Chuvalo notwithstanding)....in his defense.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Quarry and Foreman were not contemporaries save one brief slice in time when MSG offered a million dollar purse to fight Jerry, killed by exorbitant NY tax laws that sent MSG into the homeless encampments for a generation.

George got the same $$$ tax free in Japan vs Jose Roman. Point in fact because of instability in American boxing finances, he never defended his title in American nor did he win his title in America.

George has always been very generous in his musings on other fighters, so no doubt U confused his magnanimous generosity with an avoidance that never happened save once dictated by finances.

Off Task . . . But that's how the Miami Heat got LeBron James the first time he left Cleveland.

Many teams wanted James but Miami was able to actually bid lower than other teams by pointing out that Florida is only one of six States without an income tax. (Thank you tourist and old people.) So 41 of his games wouldn't be punished by local taxes. Less gross than the other teams were offering but in the end more net pay.

Yes for a while it became necessary to avoid New York and thus MSG.

[GhostofDempsey]

Foreman had relatively easy wins over Chuvalo, Norton and Frazier 2x...fighters who Ali struggled with in life and death battles. Comes back after ten year retirement and beats a very game but smaller Qawi. He made a granite chinned Bert Cooper quit on his stool after two rounds. Went the distance with Holyfield, Morrison literally ran from him all night, and Moorer was not a cherry pick. Not sure how anyone considers Foreman overrated, he certainly has better quality wins than Holmes.

[billeau2]

How is Ron Lyle consistent but Tim Witherspoon isnt ?

Lyle fought all the best fighters of his era minus Frazier. He was competative in these fights. Tim had incredible talent but was not consistent in his efforts. His best win over Bruno was fantastic... But he lost to guys willy nilly... Look at his record. I am almost tempted to make excuses for him... I mean with King and all, and because he is one of my favorite fighters lol... But I would have to make excuses for every fight Lyle lost lol.

[billeau2]

Foreman had relatively easy wins over Chuvalo, Norton and Frazier 2x...fighters who Ali struggled with in life and death battles. Comes back after ten year retirement and beats a very game but smaller Qawi. He made a granite chinned Bert Cooper quit on his stool after two rounds. Went the distance with Holyfield, Morrison literally ran from him all night, and Moorer was not a cherry pick. Not sure how anyone considers Foreman overrated, he certainly has better quality wins than Holmes.

You don't even have to bring in his second coming lol. He managed Lyle in a barn burner and beating Chuvalo so easily.

[edgarg]

Yes I know he's a legend Big George im a fan of his too. But his resume is thin. In his 1st career he was protected and after 37 fights fought Joe Frazier for the title. He completely dominated him, great win. He had 2 other defenses one vs Ken Norton, who was coming off a loss, and dominated him, great win. He then lost to an older Ali. He had a few more fights and the lost to Jimmy Young. He then retires from boxing.


Years later (10) he makes his come back and changes his image around. He fights a bunch of tuneups (most notably against a coming out of retirement Gerry Cooney) and then fights Evander Holyfield for the title. He does better than people thought but still loses clearly. He then cherry picks Tommy Morrison after Morrison got chined by Ray Mercer and loses almost every single round. He then cherry picks Michael Moorer after Morrer beat Holyfield (he didn't fight Bowe after Bowe beat Holyfield) and knocks him out after losing every round prior. Great win and great accomplishment.

He then vacates the belt to avoid fighting his mandatory Tony Tucker and doesn't fight any of the major competition for the rest of his career ruining the lineal title.

He has a padded record. He has like 10 fights vs legitimate competition and lost around half of them


George Foreman for me doesn't have enough strong wins to be considered better than Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Klitschko but often times is ranked ahead of them on all time lists. History remembers him well because of his personality and being in the Golden era of heavyweights with Ali, Fraizer, and Norton.

What do you guys think?

I never thought much of him. No skills at all. just strong with a big punch and a good chin.

[billeau2]

Richard Pryor on Big George: Foreman coming into the ring against Ali (Pryor makes noise like big footsteps). Foreman in the ring now looks around the ring and says: "which one the referee?" Then says "Good cause I'm gonna kill the other mthrfcker."

[MikeyMike100]

Foreman had relatively easy wins over Chuvalo, Norton and Frazier 2x...fighters who Ali struggled with in life and death battles. Comes back after ten year retirement and beats a very game but smaller Qawi. He made a granite chinned Bert Cooper quit on his stool after two rounds. Went the distance with Holyfield, Morrison literally ran from him all night, and Moorer was not a cherry pick. Not sure how anyone considers Foreman overrated, he certainly has better quality wins than Holmes.

Moorer is a cherry pick. He didn't want any part of Bowe after Bowe beat Holyfield but went to fight Moorer after he beat Holyfield.