Does Fury get a "Historical Bump" for this KO?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I dunno.......Maybe?
Tyson Fury never looked better. Though “Boxing math” is an unreliable approach to fight prognostication, it's increasingly safe to say that given the sheer ease at which the capable (if heretofore overrated) Dillian Whye was handled Saturday, any version of popular UK rival Anthony Joshua would have fared not much better, against the skyrocketing Gypsy King. Regardless of what transpires for him against the early 1970's sized Oleksander Usyk, we should still hope to see a reduced value clash of two of Great Britain’s greatest big men of the Queensbury era. And who knows? Maybe the once thought to be great A.J. will produce enough push-back in that (still) historic clash to warrant what his promoters had flippantly regarded as an “interim fight”, against Ultimate destroyer American Champion Deontay Wilder in a fight that he (Joshua) has less chance at winning than he would one against Fury; and that would settle the transatlantic question that America would pay great attention to, given the Joshua team's flippancy.

As for Whyte? He is precisely what I've been posting he was. Very Good contender. Danger Man. Not in the same class as Fury, Wilder or Joshua. Just not..Obviously




So here is approximately (!) how it stands (As I see it...well, today at least) amongst the Big Men under the History-Important fight Rules, during the 21^st century so far.




The best of the 21st Century




Top 25 - 21 Years into the 21st Century

1. Tyson Fury
2. Lennox Lewis (Lennox went 6-1 (5) in 21st Century b. 09/02/1965)
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Anthony Joshua
6. Vitali Klitschko
7. Oleksandr Usyk
8. Luis Ortiz
9. Dillian White
10. Chris Byrd
11. Andy Ruiz
12. Alexander Povetkin
13. Joseph Parker
14. Hassin Rahman
15. Mike Tyson (5-3 (5) in this century, keep in mind. Holyfield went just 8-6-2 (4) and doesn't make this list)
16. Jarrell Miller
17. David Haye
18. Kubrat Pulev
19. Tony Yoka
20. Ruslan Chagaev
21. Joe Joyce
22. Corrie Sanders
23. Tony Thompson
24. Charles Martin
25. Daniel Dubois

(A random select 85 - 100 Other 21^st century contenders considered): Tubbs, Bean, Golota, Akinwande, Maddalone, Moorer, Tua, Castillo, Briggs, Holyfield, Botha, Maskaev, J. Ruiz, Maddalone, T. Fields, Estrada, Walker, Rossey, S. Peter, Kirk Johnson, Beck, Krence, Whitaker, Bonin, Byrd, Whittaker, Grant, Izon, Schultz, Toney, McCline, Jefferson, Shufford, Mercer, Levin, Donald, S. Nielsen, Oquendo, J. Williams, B. Neilsen, A. Schulz, Savaresse, Donald, Ryan, Nobles, Westgeest, Clay-Bey, Nicholson, Austin, Arreola, Valuev, Sykes, Skelton, McCall, Wach, Brock, D. Williamson, Hersisia, Esch, Gunn, Rahman, Barrett, Bergeron, Solis, David Drumond, Lianhovich, Sosnowski, Harrison, McBride, Takam, T. Ibragimov, J.C. Gomez, Etienne, Mesi, Dimitrenko, Krasniqi, Vidoz, Boswell, Samil Sam, Camron, D. Williams, Meehan, Abell, Calloway, Charr, Brewster, S. Ibragimov, Mollo, Rogan, Virchis, McDermott, Arreola, Kayode, Mansour, Mitchell, Ugonoh, Adamek, Leapai, Tor Hamer, Chambers, Cunningham, Sexton, Saleta, Boytsov, Cornish, Scott, Grano, D. Holmes, Stiverne, Chisora, Glazkov, Huck, Jennings, Duhaupaus, Szpilka, Hammer, Molina, Pianeta, DeMori, Helenius, Price, Ustinov, Gerber, Teper, Washington, Breazeale, Kownacki, Cojanu, Browne, Schwarz, Kauffman, Wallin, H. Fury, Zhang, Hunter, Gorman, Rivas, Hrgovic, Sanchez, Ajagba, Kean, Dychko, Bakole, Kabayel, Bryan, Fa, Balogun, Franklin, McKean,










Or........The 2^nd Half of the Modern Era - 60 years, 1962 - 2022

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Tyson Fury
6. Mike Tyson
7. Sonny Liston
8. Joe Frazier
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Deontay Wilder
12. Anthony Joshua
13. Ken Norton
14. Vitali Klitschko
15. Rid**** Bowe
16. Cleveland Williams
17. Jerry Quarry
18. Jimmy Young
19. Ron Lyle
20. Zora Folley
21. Jimmy Ellis
22. Oleksander Usyk
23. Earnie Shavers
24. George Chuvalo
25. Andy Ruiz Jr. / Ike Ibeabuchi / Gerrie Coetzee / Tim Witherspoon / Michael Dokes / Luis Ortiz (Tie)

Dillian Whyte top 10 is beyond ridiculous brother. Ridiculous. The man has never even won a European title and you have him above former World title holders. He’s 1-1 in British title fights for Christs sake.

[Willow The Wisp]

Dillian Whyte top 10 is beyond ridiculous brother. Ridiculous. The man has never even won a European title and you have him above former World title holders. He’s 1-1 in British title fights for Christs sake.

You're right. His loss last week was career defining. He drops down around Big Baby Miller now. That's what happens when you're given your big chance, made big money and FAIL BIG. The odds for this fight didn't favor the Body Snatcher, but they didn't tip off how poorly he did either!!!

[Willie Pep 229]

Dillian Whyte top 10 is beyond ridiculous brother. Ridiculous. The man has never even won a European title and you have him above former World title holders. He’s 1-1 in British title fights for Christs sake.

Hard to take these lists seriously; one guy says you can't use the 'see method' (whatever that means) you have to go with resume - go with resume and the next guy screams 'weakest era ever'- but that's OK because another guy says the 'triangular method' is flawed.

Then they use all three when it fits their agenda.

Hard to take these lists seriously can't figure why posters bother to create them except to strut their susposed superior opinion and disrespect others. Whole thing comes across quite silly.

[BattlingNelson]

- - Fight delayed with Wlad domestic problems mounting, ie post partum wife depression leaving their newborn unattended save the help Wlad could hire to nurse the baby inbetween training sessions.

Steroid cheat Blubber ducked the rematch that AJ filled with an epic run, and now Blubber been ducking AJ along with cohorts Deyonce and Whyte.

Be like U was born yesterday and have no nursery/grade school education.

And besides Fury likely being on peds, Wlad was 40 years old and clearly past it as seen in his previous fight against Jennings where he looked washed up. The version of Wlad that fought Fury was very far from ‘very good’.

[The Old LefHook]

Vlad always was a semi-bum who only had size to his advantage. Then other galoots came along and spoilt his edge.

[Willow The Wisp]

Hard to take these lists seriously; one guy says you can't use the 'see method' (whatever that means) you have to go with resume - go with resume and the next guy screams 'weakest era ever'- but that's OK because another guy says the 'triangular method' is flawed.

Then they use all three when it fits their agenda.

Hard to take these lists seriously can't figure why posters bother to create them except to strut their susposed superior opinion and disrespect others. Whole thing comes across quite silly.

Lol, well that wasn't very friendly .

[QueensburyRules]

And besides Fury likely being on peds, Wlad was 40 years old and clearly past it as seen in his previous fight against Jennings where he looked washed up. The version of Wlad that fought Fury was very far from ‘very good’.

- - To be fair, the Ks were effectively blacklisted as far as most of American heavyweight boxing media was then.

Jennings was his return to America now without Manny. Jennings undefeated and very quick and spoiling in his style, and the ref wouldn't allow holding that Wlad had become dependent on. I thought it a serviceable win at a floydy level that fans always complained about, but, yeah, easy to see how a young Fury equally disparaged by establishment boxing was in the perfect moment in time as happens in most overthrows of great champions.

Fury's Fig Leaf melted, and so here we are today with two champs not even in the same orbit with one of them fighting a real war, a sad statement of boxing and world affairs.

[Willie Pep 229]

Lol, well that wasn't very friendly .

Sorry wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Really!

But I do think the arguments that these lists cause to break out are silly. There is this bizarre temperament where some posters think their opinion (and lists) are somehow 'right' and other opinions 'wrong.'

It come across silly to me. But it was not directed at your post in particular, I could have replied to a half dozen different posts (everyday.) This just happen to be the moment I decided to b itch. Sorry.

[markusmod]

The thing is: When a fighter looks a certain way and performs a certain way... The procuring cause often at least involves the opponent. While this seems common sense, people do occasionally seem to forget. Wlad's problem was he couldn't throw punches against Fury, because Fury feints so well. The feint would keep Vlad off balance for most of the fight.

You make some good points.

[billeau2]

And besides Fury likely being on peds, Wlad was 40 years old and clearly past it as seen in his previous fight against Jennings where he looked washed up. The version of Wlad that fought Fury was very far from ‘very good’.

You know how ****** you sound when you post something like that? Seriously?