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  • Does Fury get a "Historical Bump" for this KO?

    I dunno.......Maybe?
    Tyson Fury never looked better. Though “Boxing math” is an unreliable approach to fight prognostication, it's increasingly safe to say that given the sheer ease at which the capable (if heretofore overrated) Dillian Whye was handled Saturday, any version of popular UK rival Anthony Joshua would have fared not much better, against the skyrocketing Gypsy King. Regardless of what transpires for him against the early 1970's sized Oleksander Usyk, we should still hope to see a reduced value clash of two of Great Britain’s greatest big men of the Queensbury era. And who knows? Maybe the once thought to be great A.J. will produce enough push-back in that (still) historic clash to warrant what his promoters had flippantly regarded as an “interim fight”, against Ultimate destroyer American Champion Deontay Wilder in a fight that he (Joshua) has less chance at winning than he would one against Fury; and that would settle the transatlantic question that America would pay great attention to, given the Joshua team's flippancy.

    As for Whyte? He is precisely what I've been posting he was. Very Good contender. Danger Man. Not in the same class as Fury, Wilder or Joshua. Just not..Obviously




    So here is approximately (!) how it stands (As I see it...well, today at least) amongst the Big Men under the History-Important fight Rules, during the 21st century so far.




    The best of the 21st Century




    Top 25 - 21 Years into the 21st Century
    1. Tyson Fury
    2. Lennox Lewis (Lennox went 6-1 (5) in 21st Century b. 09/02/1965)
    3. Wladimir Klitschko
    4. Deontay Wilder
    5. Anthony Joshua
    6. Vitali Klitschko
    7. Oleksandr Usyk
    8. Luis Ortiz
    9. Dillian White
    10. Chris Byrd
    11. Andy Ruiz
    12. Alexander Povetkin
    13. Joseph Parker
    14. Hassin Rahman
    15. Mike Tyson (5-3 (5) in this century, keep in mind. Holyfield went just 8-6-2 (4) and doesn't make this list)
    16. Jarrell Miller
    17. David Haye
    18. Kubrat Pulev
    19. Tony Yoka
    20. Ruslan Chagaev
    21. Joe Joyce
    22. Corrie Sanders
    23. Tony Thompson
    24. Charles Martin
    25. Daniel Dubois




    (A random select 85 - 100 Other 21st century contenders considered): Tubbs, Bean, Golota, Akinwande, Maddalone, Moorer, Tua, Castillo, Briggs, Holyfield, Botha, Maskaev, J. Ruiz, Maddalone, T. Fields, Estrada, Walker, Rossey, S. Peter, Kirk Johnson, Beck, Krence, Whitaker, Bonin, Byrd, Whittaker, Grant, Izon, Schultz, Toney, McCline, Jefferson, Shufford, Mercer, Levin, Donald, S. Nielsen, Oquendo, J. Williams, B. Neilsen, A. Schulz, Savaresse, Donald, Ryan, Nobles, Westgeest, Clay-Bey, Nicholson, Austin, Arreola, Valuev, Sykes, Skelton, McCall, Wach, Brock, D. Williamson, Hersisia, Esch, Gunn, Rahman, Barrett, Bergeron, Solis, David Drumond, Lianhovich, Sosnowski, Harrison, McBride, Takam, T. Ibragimov, J.C. Gomez, Etienne, Mesi, Dimitrenko, Krasniqi, Vidoz, Boswell, Samil Sam, Camron, D. Williams, Meehan, Abell, Calloway, Charr, Brewster, S. Ibragimov, Mollo, Rogan, Virchis, McDermott, Arreola, Kayode, Mansour, Mitchell, Ugonoh, Adamek, Leapai, Tor Hamer, Chambers, Cunningham, Sexton, Saleta, Boytsov, Cornish, Scott, Grano, D. Holmes, Stiverne, Chisora, Glazkov, Huck, Jennings, Duhaupaus, Szpilka, Hammer, Molina, Pianeta, DeMori, Helenius, Price, Ustinov, Gerber, Teper, Washington, Breazeale, Kownacki, Cojanu, Browne, Schwarz, Kauffman, Wallin, H. Fury, Zhang, Hunter, Gorman, Rivas, Hrgovic, Sanchez, Ajagba, Kean, Dychko, Bakole, Kabayel, Bryan, Fa, Balogun, Franklin, McKean,










    Or........The 2nd Half of the Modern Era - 60 years, 1962 - 2022
    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. George Foreman
    3. Larry Holmes
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Tyson Fury
    6. Mike Tyson
    7. Sonny Liston
    8. Joe Frazier
    9. Wladimir Klitschko
    10. Evander Holyfield
    11. Deontay Wilder
    12. Anthony Joshua
    13. Ken Norton
    14. Vitali Klitschko
    15. Rid**** Bowe
    16. Cleveland Williams
    17. Jerry Quarry
    18. Jimmy Young
    19. Ron Lyle
    20. Zora Folley
    21. Jimmy Ellis
    22. Oleksander Usyk
    23. Earnie Shavers
    24. George Chuvalo
    25. Andy Ruiz Jr. / Ike Ibeabuchi / Gerrie Coetzee / Tim Witherspoon / Michael Dokes / Luis Ortiz (Tie)
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
    I dunno.......
    - - Agree, U don't.

    U got the low hanging fruit of Deyonce and Blubber who ducked AJ multi times over him, ie single belt holders over a record setting unified champ.

    U got Blubber over Wlad who has the best by far 21st century record, ya could look it up.

    1st place participation gold medal though, a champ to lo & behold these days!

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    • #3
      Of course he gets a ‘bump’, everything contributes. Now, to what extent, that is whats up for debate.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

        - - Agree, U don't.

        U got the low hanging fruit of Deyonce and Blubber who ducked AJ multi times over him, ie single belt holders over a record setting unified champ.

        U got Blubber over Wlad who has the best by far 21st century record, ya could look it up.

        1st place participation gold medal though, a champ to lo & behold these days!
        Tyson Fury beat Whyte faster and with much less difficulty than Anthony Joshua did.

        If Joshua loses to Usyk again there's no need to even include him in the top heavyweights conversation any longer.

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        • #5
          Tyson Fury entered the fight as the greatest boxer who has ever lived, so his ranking remains the same. Nash out - Boxing expert.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

            Tyson Fury beat Whyte faster and with much less difficulty than Anthony Joshua did.

            If Joshua loses to Usyk again there's no need to even include him in the top heavyweights conversation any longer.
            - - Fighting AJ and Povetkin leftovers may float your petticoats, but don't change that 40+ Povetkin waxed Whyte faster than did Blubber, and Whyte didn't get up either.

            Wheeeee! U can fly like Peter Pan!!!
            Last edited by QueensburyRules; 04-24-2022, 07:56 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

              - - Fighting AJ and Povetkin leftovers may float your petticoats, but don't change that 40+ Povetkin waxed Whyte faster than did Blubber, and Whyte didn't get up either.

              Wheeeee! U can fly like Peter Pan!!!
              AJ's best win is a Fury leftover.

              The Gypsy King is the best heavyweight of this era. You'll just have to learn to live with it.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

                AJ's best win is a Fury leftover.

                The Gypsy King is the best heavyweight of this era. You'll just have to learn to live with it.
                The Queen B will not rest until Valuev gets the credit he deserves for being the best heavyweight ever... with Gigantism.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
                  I dunno.......Maybe?
                  Tyson Fury never looked better. Though “Boxing math” is an unreliable approach to fight prognostication, it's increasingly safe to say that given the sheer ease at which the capable (if heretofore overrated) Dillian Whye was handled Saturday, any version of popular UK rival Anthony Joshua would have fared not much better, against the skyrocketing Gypsy King. Regardless of what transpires for him against the early 1970's sized Oleksander Usyk, we should still hope to see a reduced value clash of two of Great Britain’s greatest big men of the Queensbury era. And who knows? Maybe the once thought to be great A.J. will produce enough push-back in that (still) historic clash to warrant what his promoters had flippantly regarded as an “interim fight”, against Ultimate destroyer American Champion Deontay Wilder in a fight that he (Joshua) has less chance at winning than he would one against Fury; and that would settle the transatlantic question that America would pay great attention to, given the Joshua team's flippancy.

                  As for Whyte? He is precisely what I've been posting he was. Very Good contender. Danger Man. Not in the same class as Fury, Wilder or Joshua. Just not..Obviously




                  So here is approximately (!) how it stands (As I see it...well, today at least) amongst the Big Men under the History-Important fight Rules, during the 21st century so far.




                  The best of the 21st Century




                  Top 25 - 21 Years into the 21st Century
                  1. Tyson Fury
                  2. Lennox Lewis (Lennox went 6-1 (5) in 21st Century b. 09/02/1965)
                  3. Wladimir Klitschko
                  4. Deontay Wilder
                  5. Anthony Joshua
                  6. Vitali Klitschko
                  7. Oleksandr Usyk
                  8. Luis Ortiz
                  9. Dillian White
                  10. Chris Byrd
                  11. Andy Ruiz
                  12. Alexander Povetkin
                  13. Joseph Parker
                  14. Hassin Rahman
                  15. Mike Tyson (5-3 (5) in this century, keep in mind. Holyfield went just 8-6-2 (4) and doesn't make this list)
                  16. Jarrell Miller
                  17. David Haye
                  18. Kubrat Pulev
                  19. Tony Yoka
                  20. Ruslan Chagaev
                  21. Joe Joyce
                  22. Corrie Sanders
                  23. Tony Thompson
                  24. Charles Martin
                  25. Daniel Dubois




                  (A random select 85 - 100 Other 21st century contenders considered): Tubbs, Bean, Golota, Akinwande, Maddalone, Moorer, Tua, Castillo, Briggs, Holyfield, Botha, Maskaev, J. Ruiz, Maddalone, T. Fields, Estrada, Walker, Rossey, S. Peter, Kirk Johnson, Beck, Krence, Whitaker, Bonin, Byrd, Whittaker, Grant, Izon, Schultz, Toney, McCline, Jefferson, Shufford, Mercer, Levin, Donald, S. Nielsen, Oquendo, J. Williams, B. Neilsen, A. Schulz, Savaresse, Donald, Ryan, Nobles, Westgeest, Clay-Bey, Nicholson, Austin, Arreola, Valuev, Sykes, Skelton, McCall, Wach, Brock, D. Williamson, Hersisia, Esch, Gunn, Rahman, Barrett, Bergeron, Solis, David Drumond, Lianhovich, Sosnowski, Harrison, McBride, Takam, T. Ibragimov, J.C. Gomez, Etienne, Mesi, Dimitrenko, Krasniqi, Vidoz, Boswell, Samil Sam, Camron, D. Williams, Meehan, Abell, Calloway, Charr, Brewster, S. Ibragimov, Mollo, Rogan, Virchis, McDermott, Arreola, Kayode, Mansour, Mitchell, Ugonoh, Adamek, Leapai, Tor Hamer, Chambers, Cunningham, Sexton, Saleta, Boytsov, Cornish, Scott, Grano, D. Holmes, Stiverne, Chisora, Glazkov, Huck, Jennings, Duhaupaus, Szpilka, Hammer, Molina, Pianeta, DeMori, Helenius, Price, Ustinov, Gerber, Teper, Washington, Breazeale, Kownacki, Cojanu, Browne, Schwarz, Kauffman, Wallin, H. Fury, Zhang, Hunter, Gorman, Rivas, Hrgovic, Sanchez, Ajagba, Kean, Dychko, Bakole, Kabayel, Bryan, Fa, Balogun, Franklin, McKean,










                  Or........The 2nd Half of the Modern Era - 60 years, 1962 - 2022
                  1. Muhammad Ali
                  2. George Foreman
                  3. Larry Holmes
                  4. Lennox Lewis
                  5. Tyson Fury
                  6. Mike Tyson
                  7. Sonny Liston
                  8. Joe Frazier
                  9. Wladimir Klitschko
                  10. Evander Holyfield
                  11. Deontay Wilder
                  12. Anthony Joshua
                  13. Ken Norton
                  14. Vitali Klitschko
                  15. Rid**** Bowe
                  16. Cleveland Williams
                  17. Jerry Quarry
                  18. Jimmy Young
                  19. Ron Lyle
                  20. Zora Folley
                  21. Jimmy Ellis
                  22. Oleksander Usyk
                  23. Earnie Shavers
                  24. George Chuvalo
                  25. Andy Ruiz Jr. / Ike Ibeabuchi / Gerrie Coetzee / Tim Witherspoon / Michael Dokes / Luis Ortiz (Tie)
                  I think there are different considerations. If people take the time to carefully look at tape of this fight they will see greatness. Contrary to popular belief, fighters cannot just "look good" to those who know what to look for. In this fight with whyte, Fury showed at least 5 expert uses for the jab... I don't remember seeing so many since Ali could win a fight just using the jab. Fury used the jab as a piston, a range finder, a feint, to set up other shots, to keep distance while moving back. And if you look at the slo mo of some of the body punches thrown by Fury, their accuracy is outstanding. Perfectly placed. His footwork, his ability to always be in a position to counter Whyte. These are characteristics of greatness. They are similar to when Roy JOnes showed total domination using his left hook, speed, and body movement. These skills speak for themselves, you will not see them when looking at Vlad Klitsko, or even Lewis really, though Lewis has many great skills himself.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

                    AJ's best win is a Fury leftover.

                    The Gypsy King is the best heavyweight of this era. You'll just have to learn to live with it.
                    - - The Fury left over(Wlad) that melted Fury like a boy scout camp marshmallow in the rematch that took Fury 3 years to recover from.

                    GypsoKingso ducking AJ riches multi x to fight low hanging fruits of fellow AJ duckees Deyonce and Whyte for peanuts...priceless for U princesses.

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