Why was Ali's return from exile that much more successful than Tysons?

[QueensburyRules]

Two questions.....first, why would the heavyweight champion of the world need to challenge a mere trinket holder? Second, who was training Wilt in 1965 you jerkoff? You make things up in your perpetually inebriated mind but keep refusing to answer questions. Did you think I would forget?

- - Larded Lar never beat a fighter holding a title won in the ring. Half dozen WBA guys did while he was in his prime.

Cus is the guy who first took an interest in Wilt and did the training. Wilt got more lucrative offers to play tight end in the NFL, but Cus with boxing a much better, more intellectual proposition than NFL coaches. Had Tom Landry and the Cowboys been in their prime then, he probably lures Wilt into the NFL.

[QueensburyRules]

No, Queensbury, you are just a revisionist.
We who were there at the time, knew very well who the World Champion was.

Who avoided who? Holmes was always ready to fight anyone. Don’t blame him.

You always attack Holmes, while it seems you have big faith in the unscrupulous boxing orgs (which is tiresome to listen to).
You should blame the orgs instead, for the fights that never happened..

- - Orgs only provide a title and a belt. As mentioned, Lar, King, and WBA boys all in cohoots with each other.

Yo, I was there wondering why he was fighting Scott Frank when the WBA guys were Kings?

[JAB5239]

- - Larded Lar never beat a fighter holding a title won in the ring. Half dozen WBA guys did while he was in his prime.

Cus is the guy who first took an interest in Wilt and did the training. Wilt got more lucrative offers to play tight end in the NFL, but Cus with boxing a much better, more intellectual proposition than NFL coaches. Had Tom Landry and the Cowboys been in their prime then, he probably lures Wilt into the NFL.

No, you said Wilt started training in 1965. Who was training him? We know Cus approached him. Nothing says he was training him. If you didn't make this up than please provide the proof.

[QueensburyRules]

The Shavers decision wasn't razor thin, all Ali had to do going into the last round was stay on his feet.The judges and the press unanimously voted for Ali

- - Never seen a fighter pulped so thoroughly from pillar to post than was Ali that last round. At least for Frazier 1 he was in his prime.

Ali fans are the meanest fans in history with regard to his health and future.

[JAB5239]

- - Never seen a fighter pulped so thoroughly from pillar to post than was Ali that last round. At least for Frazier 1 he was in his prime.

Ali fans are the meanest fans in history with regard to his health and future.

So Ali lost the last round and that now equates to losing the whole fight? Only in Queenie dreamland folks!!

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Larded Lar never beat a fighter holding a title won in the ring. Half dozen WBA guys did while he was in his prime.

Cus is the guy who first took an interest in Wilt and did the training. Wilt got more lucrative offers to play tight end in the NFL, but Cus with boxing a much better, more intellectual proposition than NFL coaches. Had Tom Landry and the Cowboys been in their prime then, he probably lures Wilt into the NFL.

Landry never goes that far outside the box. Hayes actually came through the football system not out of track & field. Landry did show long term vision with Staubach, that he gets kudos for, but Wilt is too far outside for a guy driven by numbers and strategies.

Now Al Davis, he's your guy. Drafts a punter in the first round (Ray Guy) and buys BO as a partime running back.

He's the guy who would take a shot at Wilt at TE.

P.S. Why do you think the years are off? Wilt came up into the NBA just as Landry was building the Cowboys. I would say the timing was just right.

[Anthony342]

So Ali lost the last round and that now equates to losing the whole fight? Only in Queenie dreamland folks!!

Speaking of Dreamland, sounds like Queenie got hit too many times with Mr. Sandman's Dreamland Express: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfebVlOgZf8

[JAB5239]

Landry never goes that far outside the box. Hayes actually came through the football system not out of track & field. Landry did show long term vision with Staubach, that he gets kudos for, but Wilt is too far outside for a guy driven by numbers and strategies.

Now Al Davis, he's your guy. Drafts a punter in the first round (Ray Guy) and buys BO as a partime running back.

He's the guy who would take a shot at Wilt at TE.

P.S. Why do you think the years are off? Wilt came up into the NBA just as Landry was building the Cowboys. I would say the timing was just right.

As a life long Cowboys fan I agree with all of this. And Landry was a genius on waiting on Staubach to finish his service in the navy.

My only question though.....who the hell was training Wilt to box in 1965?

[Ben Bolt]

Speaking of Dreamland, sounds like Queenie got hit too many times with Mr. Sandman's Dreamland Express: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfebVlOgZf8

Noticed another thread on the front page; "Disadvantages of Being Big".
The vid says it all.

[Anthony342]

Noticed another thread on the front page; "Disadvantages of Being Big".
The vid says it all.

So I guess size matters both ways.