Im very confused about Ezzard Charles resume

[Ivich]

yeah they are blown up fighters, the old timers trained down. Probably why most new fighters have glass jaws, also because they fight less

The old guys dehydrated under the mistaken belief that it was the best option.

[Willow The Wisp]

I think Sharkey went into the tank for that fight. Earnie Schaaf had just gotten over a serious case of the flu when he fought Carnera and had taken a bad beating in the closing moments of the Baer fight.Carnera put a strangely passive Schaaf down with a jab and the crowd booed Fake!One sports writer said ,"the only way I'll believe this is if he dies".Carnera was not a big puncher and he was absolved of any culpability in the Schaaf tragedy.

George Trafton, possibly the toughest man to play pro football in the early years, would disagree on your dismissal of Carnera's power. Most of what was written about the Ambling Alp in the English language during his time as an active fighter was greatly tinged by Anti-facist hatred. They couldn't pull that on Schmeling after he blew away American darling Louis, but they certainly tried beforehand. You read that all or Carnera's fights were fixes, but don't believe everything you read.

[them_apples]

The old guys dehydrated under the mistaken belief that it was the best option.

No this is what the new guys do. Esp with second day weigh ins. They carry too much weight and gas out. Mayweather and pac didn't though. The old guys had one day weigh ins and put huge emphasis on staying in shape

I'm curious where you came up with the idea, because if anything even new school fanboys can say toughness and stamina wasn't the issue with old timers.

[Ivich]

No this is what the new guys do. Esp with second day weigh ins. They carry too much weight and gas out. Mayweather and pac didn't though. The old guys had one day weigh ins and put huge emphasis on staying in shape

I'm curious where you came up with the idea, because if anything even new school fanboys can say toughness and stamina wasn't the issue with old timers.

From reading the bios of Jeffries,Johnson,etc look it up ,nonsensical as it seems today heavyweights cut out liquid to drop weight.

[Ivich]

George Trafton, possibly the toughest man to play pro football in the early years, would disagree on your dismissal of Carnera's power. Most of what was written about the Ambling Alp in the English language during his time as an active fighter was greatly tinged by Anti-facist hatred. They couldn't pull that on Schmeling after he blew away American darling Louis, but they certainly tried beforehand. You read that all or Carnera's fights were fixes, but don't believe everything you read.

Larry Gains whom I met ,said Carnera did not punch his weight.Max Schmeling agreed with him Tunney was also scathing of his power.Hundreds of Boxers of Italian heritage plied their trade during Carnera's era without any negative press . Primo's brief time at the top came and went before WW2.
George Trafton? Whom did he ever beat? He was a football player,How many of them were worth a cup of cold spit in a boxing ring ?
Mark Gastineau was so bad all his fights were fixed. The strongest man the world produced for decades was Paul Anderson ,he was totally useless as a boxer,as was the great wrestler Georges Hackenshmidt.
When told they used to put a rubber band on Primo's **** to prevent him having wet dreams,Angelo Dundee,/ Mirena said ."they coulda put ten rubber bands on him they still wouldn't have made him into a fighter."

Fights of Carnera's that we are pretty certain were fixed were his bouts with.
Peterson
Stribling x2
Rioux
Chevalier
Clark
There are many more and his ex manager said he personally fixed 33 of them
.Carnera has one of the great ko % of the heavies yet absolutely nobody lists him as a big puncher.why do you suppose that is?

[Willie Pep 229]

It's interesting that Haye looks significantly smaller now he is retired.old timers like Walcott,Louis, Dempsey,Marciano etc looked bigger in their middle years.

Yea old timers beat themselves into shape and then got fat when they retired.

Modern fighters juice and when retired eat a more modern healthy diet.

[them_apples]

From reading the bios of Jeffries,Johnson,etc look it up ,nonsensical as it seems today heavyweights cut out liquid to drop weight.

Old fighters and new fighters drop weight the same way, some bad and some good. old fighters cut water weight and so did new ones. Old fighters didn't train in bulking exercises or do steroids though. I see every heavyweight doing bench presses and shoulder presses, squats, high weight. and they look like that in the ring too, blown up and puffy. its fake muscle really.

You cant fight 15 rounds at a grueling pace if you are dehydrated and drained. Old time fighters often came in even a few lbs under the limit. They were built only in the areas they used. Flat chested, slimmer thighs, strong calves, core and shoulders / forearms / neck. It makes a world of a difference for everything. new fighters train all wrong. a whole mix of things that history will laugh at.

[QueensburyRules]

Larry Gains whom I met ,said Carnera did not punch his weight.Max Schmeling agreed with him Tunney was also scathing of his power.Hundreds of Boxers of Italian heritage plied their trade during Carnera's era without any negative press . Primo's brief time at the top came and went before WW2.
George Trafton? Whom did he ever beat? He was a football player,How many of them were worth a cup of cold spit in a boxing ring ?
Mark Gastineau was so bad all his fights were fixed. The strongest man the world produced for decades was Paul Anderson ,he was totally useless as a boxer,as was the great wrestler Georges Hackenshmidt.
When told they used to put a rubber band on Primo's **** to prevent him having wet dreams,Angelo Dundee,/ Mirena said ."they coulda put ten rubber bands on him they still wouldn't have made him into a fighter."

Fights of Carnera's that we are pretty certain were fixed were his bouts with.
Peterson
Stribling x2
Rioux
Chevalier
Clark
There are many more and his ex manager said he personally fixed 33 of them
.Carnera has one of the great ko % of the heavies yet absolutely nobody lists him as a big puncher.why do you suppose that is?

- - Primo also described as a poor boxer and slow on his feet whereas film show him to be very nimble footwork and decent boxing skills.

"Nobody likes a Giant"...Wilt Chamberlain.

I've supplied a plethora of athletes other than boxers who when they went into boxing did quite well.

OK, you and critic don't like Primo who used to be circus strong man and 'rassler who prob took on a few bears as well. But Primo has the best record of those 30s transition fighters and they in the HOF, not Primo. I could name a plethora of baseball players better than their peers not in the HOF too. Press had limitations then, now, and forevermore.

[Ivich]

Old fighters and new fighters drop weight the same way, some bad and some good. old fighters cut water weight and so did new ones. Old fighters didn't train in bulking exercises or do steroids though. I see every heavyweight doing bench presses and shoulder presses, squats, high weight. and they look like that in the ring too, blown up and puffy. its fake muscle really.

You cant fight 15 rounds at a grueling pace if you are dehydrated and drained. Old time fighters often came in even a few lbs under the limit. They were built only in the areas they used. Flat chested, slimmer thighs, strong calves, core and shoulders / forearms / neck. It makes a world of a difference for everything. new fighters train all wrong. a whole mix of things that history will laugh at.

I've no argument with this, my original statement was that old fighters cut weight by dehydrating and I'm talking principally about heavyweights men who had no need to make a certain target weight..We know Jeffries andJohnson, dehydrated,and we know Foreman did.

[Ivich]

- - Primo also described as a poor boxer and slow on his feet whereas film show him to be very nimble footwork and decent boxing skills.

"Nobody likes a Giant"...Wilt Chamberlain.

I've supplied a plethora of athletes other than boxers who when they went into boxing did quite well.

OK, you and critic don't like Primo who used to be circus strong man and 'rassler who prob took on a few bears as well. But Primo has the best record of those 30s transition fighters and they in the HOF, not Primo. I could name a plethora of baseball players better than their peers not in the HOF too. Press had limitations then, now, and forevermore.

Name some of these athletes. My feelings towards Carnera are neutral,I just know he didnt have real power and that calls into question his extensive ko record.His own US manager ,Broadway Billy Duffy admitted to Paul Gallico Carnera couldnt punch and had a glass jaw.
Nobody likes a Giant?Did Ray Impelletiere , a contemporary of Carnera's ,and one he actually fought face the same accusations of fixed fights? No.