Im very confused about Ezzard Charles resume

[Ivich]

You keep floating this lie that Johnson was only 185 pounds. For most of his prime he was > 200 and up to 235 or better. He stood about 6'1".

Kaufman was a blacksmith with a decent punch and no boxing skills. Look at them side by side, he was a rail, he was KO'd 5x in a 29 fight career--he went the distance with Jack and he could only win the title from Jack by KO only, that was a stipulation. McVey was 19 years old when they fought, and not heavier than Jack. He was also 3" shorter. Flynn was 5'9", Ross was 5'7" as was Burns.

So make up your mind...does size matter or not? You seem to think so when it comes to Carnera/Loughran, but not for ole Jack.

Johnson was 192lbs at the age of 30 when he won the title from Burns His "guestimated "weight for his 1906 bout with Langford was 185lbs
AS I STATED BEFORE NEITHER MAN WEIGHED IN
I've said in an earlier post on this forum that Johnson considered his best condition to have been when he fought Jeffries,for which fight he scaled 208lbs
Johnson was six feet and one quarter inch tall.
Kaufman had beaten the following boxers when Johnson took him on and toyed with him.
Jack Twin Sullivan
Dave Barry x2 both ko's
Mike Schreck ko
George Gardner ko
Jim Flynn ko
Battling Johnson ko
Jim Barry Ko
Tony Ross

After losing to Johnson 3 months later he took on Philadelpia Jack O Brien and beat him twice
He then beat ;
Bill Lang
Al Kubiak
Tony Ross
Photos of Kaufmann standing in the ring with Johnson in Pollacks 2nd bio ofJohnson show him to be a tall muscular man at least Johnson's equal in size and physical development.I refer you to page 123f or an example.
Johnson carried Kaufman its estimated Kaufman only landed 3 decent punches.
Aren't you the poster stating Johnson avoided fighting his sparring partner George Kid Cotton?

Try putting up Cotton's record against Kaufman's!
Kaufman beat to men who held world titles .Cotton beat who?
Did size matter for the first 20 rds when Johnson was outpointing Willard?
My caveat was AT SOME POINT ! Does your brain automatically skip passages in sentences that contradict your own opinions?

I'm learning what no doubt other posters have discovered before me.
That you are just a Johnson hater who twists,and spins everything he can to try and produce negative vibes about every aspect of his career.
You've no interest in adding to your knowledge, or in exchanging sensible views in respectful debate,as such you are a waste of my time.

When you catch me out in a lie you are entitled to call me a liar until then ,I'll ask you to be civil and act like a reasonable polite adult.

[Bundana]

yeah they are blown up fighters, the old timers trained down. Probably why most new fighters have glass jaws, also because they fight less

Could you elaborate on this? I'm genuinly interested to know, what kind of research is behind this statement.

[QueensburyRules]

Could you elaborate on this? I'm genuinly interested to know, what kind of research is behind this statement.

- - I was afraid to ask because of the likely answer. Better you than moi...

[them_apples]

Could you elaborate on this? I'm genuinly interested to know, what kind of research is behind this statement.

there's no research behind it, but research is a pretty vague term. By research you mean "supporting evidence" because if that's what you want it's easy to find. 99 percent of this forum isn't researched, even with a newspaper clipping in hand - that's not always a reliable source. certainly feels good though...

I will say though I sort of put glass jaw and heart together in the same box. It's a combination of weaker chins (or maybe attracting different people) and fighters that generally give up and quit fast. My supporting evidence is fighters seem to have bigger skulls and hands because they were trained DOWN not up in weight, meaning they were more frame than mass most of the time.

When most of the Welterweight division consists of blown up lightweights trying to make money, they are all smacking eachother and collecting dough

[Bundana]

there's no research behind it, but research is a pretty vague term. By research you mean "supporting evidence" because if that's what you want it's easy to find. 99 percent of this forum isn't researched, even with a newspaper clipping in hand - that's not always a reliable source. certainly feels good though...

I will say though I sort of put glass jaw and heart together in the same box. It's a combination of weaker chins (or maybe attracting different people) and fighters that generally give up and quit fast. My supporting evidence is fighters seem to have bigger skulls and hands because they were trained DOWN not up in weight, meaning they were more frame than mass most of the time.

When most of the Welterweight division consists of blown up lightweights trying to make money, they are all smacking eachother and collecting dough

So in other words, you have absolutely no idea, if today's boxers have better or worse chins than the old-timers. I have no idea either, and I don't believe anybody has - which should be pretty obvious, as there of course is no way we can measure something like that!

[GhostofDempsey]

Johnson was 192lbs at the age of 30 when he won the title from Burns His "guestimated "weight for his 1906 bout with Langford was 185lbs
AS I STATED BEFORE NEITHER MAN WEIGHED IN
I've said in an earlier post on this forum that Johnson considered his best condition to have been when he fought Jeffries,for which fight he scaled 208lbs
Johnson was six feet and one quarter inch tall.
Kaufman had beaten the following boxers when Johnson took him on and toyed with him.
Jack Twin Sullivan
Dave Barry x2 both ko's
Mike Schreck ko
George Gardner ko
Jim Flynn ko
Battling Johnson ko
Jim Barry Ko
Tony Ross

After losing to Johnson 3 months later he took on Philadelpia Jack O Brien and beat him twice
He then beat ;
Bill Lang
Al Kubiak
Tony Ross
Photos of Kaufmann standing in the ring with Johnson in Pollacks 2nd bio ofJohnson show him to be a tall muscular man at least Johnson's equal in size and physical development.I refer you to page 123f or an example.
Johnson carried Kaufman its estimated Kaufman only landed 3 decent punches.
Aren't you the poster stating Johnson avoided fighting his sparring partner George Kid Cotton?

Try putting up Cotton's record against Kaufman's!
Kaufman beat to men who held world titles .Cotton beat who?
Did size matter for the first 20 rds when Johnson was outpointing Willard?
My caveat was AT SOME POINT ! Does your brain automatically skip passages in sentences that contradict your own opinions?

I'm learning what no doubt other posters have discovered before me.
That you are just a Johnson hater who twists,and spins everything he can to try and produce negative vibes about every aspect of his career.
You've no interest in adding to your knowledge, or in exchanging sensible views in respectful debate,as such you are a waste of my time.

When you catch me out in a lie you are entitled to call me a liar until then ,I'll ask you to be civil and act like a reasonable polite adult.

So neither got on the scale but you have insight to his weight? Ok.

Im not a Johnson hater, I just happen to think he was overrated. I find it hysterical that the mere mention of his name without unconditional praise inspires a bunch of hostile replies. You guys grew up believing a myth, and now it hurts to let it go.

YOU are the one who started with the snarky insults. For that you get the same in return. I don’t take direction from you, so if you don’t like my posts, don’t quote me, my tone won’t change until you accept some of the blame yourself.

[Ivich]

there's no research behind it, but research is a pretty vague term. By research you mean "supporting evidence" because if that's what you want it's easy to find. 99 percent of this forum isn't researched, even with a newspaper clipping in hand - that's not always a reliable source. certainly feels good though...

I will say though I sort of put glass jaw and heart together in the same box. It's a combination of weaker chins (or maybe attracting different people) and fighters that generally give up and quit fast. My supporting evidence is fighters seem to have bigger skulls and hands because they were trained DOWN not up in weight, meaning they were more frame than mass most of the time.

When most of the Welterweight division consists of blown up lightweights trying to make money, they are all smacking eachother and collecting dough

Tony Zale once said he hadn't seen many," glass jaws," but he had seem some"glass hearts".

[Ivich]

So neither got on the scale but you have insight to his weight? Ok.

Im not a Johnson hater, I just happen to think he was overrated. I find it hysterical that the mere mention of his name without unconditional praise inspires a bunch of hostile replies. You guys grew up believing a myth, and now it hurts to let it go.

YOU are the one who started with the snarky insults. For that you get the same in return. I don’t take direction from you, so if you don’t like my posts, don’t quote me, my tone won’t change until you accept some of the blame yourself.

Your posts are nothing just negative attacks without any verified sources as such they are valueless and not worth the time it takes to read them. Jack Johnson is regularly rated in the top ten by respected boxing writers and trainers Eddie Futch one of the great trainers rated him joint top with Ali and Louis.Of course all these experts are wrong and Johnson's talent is a myth we know this because you now say so.
A few years ago The Ring conducted a poll of 30 experts to rank the heavyweight champions.


Trainers: Teddy Atlas, Pat Burns, Virgil Hunter and Don Turner.

Matchmakers: Eric Bottjer, Don Chargin, Don Elbaum, Bobby Goodman, Ron Katz, Mike Marchionte, Russell Peltz and Bruce Trampler.

Media: Al Bernstein, Ron Borges, Gareth A Davies, Norm Frauenheim, Jerry Izenberg, Harold Lederman, Paulie Malignaggi, Dan Rafael and Michael Rosenthal

Historians: Craig Hamilton, Steve Lott, Don McRae, Bob Mee, Clay Moyle, Adam Pollack and Randy Roberts
. Also taking part were Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis.
Ali came out in the top spot No1
Joe Louis was second No 2.
Jack Johnson was ranked No3.
I guess they all were fooled into believing that myth too?
You boxing knowledge is similar to your manners ,non existent.

[QueensburyRules]

Your posts are nothing just negative attacks without any verified sources as such they are valueless and not worth the time it takes to read them. Jack Johnson is regularly rated in the top ten by respected boxing writers and trainers Eddie Futch one of the great trainers rated him joint top with Ali and Louis.Of course all these experts are wrong and Johnson's talent is a myth we know this because you now say so.
A few years ago The Ring conducted a poll of 30 experts to rank the heavyweight champions.


Trainers: Teddy Atlas, Pat Burns, Virgil Hunter and Don Turner.

Matchmakers: Eric Bottjer, Don Chargin, Don Elbaum, Bobby Goodman, Ron Katz, Mike Marchionte, Russell Peltz and Bruce Trampler.

Media: Al Bernstein, Ron Borges, Gareth A Davies, Norm Frauenheim, Jerry Izenberg, Harold Lederman, Paulie Malignaggi, Dan Rafael and Michael Rosenthal

Historians: Craig Hamilton, Steve Lott, Don McRae, Bob Mee, Clay Moyle, Adam Pollack and Randy Roberts
. Also taking part were Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis.
Ali came out in the top spot No1
Joe Louis was second No 2.
Jack Johnson was ranked No3.
I guess they all were fooled into believing that myth too?
You boxing knowledge is similar to your manners ,non existent.

- - Last pipsqueak I heared of Loony Teddy was he going to find his email proving Manny a drug user using l'l Paulie's Big Flappers as a vacuum resourcer.

Is this the current Ring that shows drug cheat Blubber Tyson as their Ring Champion for 6 years with only a single defense to his name?

The Ring wif Fishnets drug addled Oscar as the owner?

Impressive lineup, indeed...only in 3rd millennium boxing, folks...

[Ivich]

- - Last pipsqueak I heared of Loony Teddy was he going to find his email proving Manny a drug user using l'l Paulie's Big Flappers as a vacuum resourcer.

Is this the current Ring that shows drug cheat Blubber Tyson as their Ring Champion for 6 years with only a single defense to his name?

The Ring wif Fishnets drug addled Oscar as the owner?

Impressive lineup, indeed...only in 3rd millennium boxing, folks...

The tag team lol. puerile.