Nemeses

Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • markusmod
    Undisputed Champion
    Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
    • Feb 2021
    • 7397
    • 2,321
    • 567
    • 0

    #31
    Originally posted by 4truth
    Vernon Forrest / Ricardo Mayorga
    And that was Mayorga before his drinking prime.

    Comment

    • billeau2
      Undisputed Champion
      Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
      • Jun 2012
      • 27645
      • 6,396
      • 14,933
      • 339,839

      #32
      Originally posted by markusmod

      And that was Mayorga before his drinking prime.
      Mayorga could fight, one of my personal favorites... aside from being the number two shiat talker of all time... toney Galento may be the best... Reporter asks about Joe Louis as an opponent for their upcoming fight, two ton toney puts on this quizzical look then says "neva hurd a da bum."

      Comment

      • Quercusalba
        Undisputed Champion
        Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
        • Dec 2020
        • 1732
        • 685
        • 556
        • 2,792

        #33
        Tony Zale was Rocky Graziano's nemesis. Graziano said he still had Zale nightmares years after their fights.

        Comment

        • markusmod
          Undisputed Champion
          Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
          • Feb 2021
          • 7397
          • 2,321
          • 567
          • 0

          #34
          Originally posted by Quercusalba
          Tony Zale was Rocky Graziano's nemesis. Graziano said he still had Zale nightmares years after their fights.
          Good pick there.

          Comment

          • QueensburyRules
            Undisputed Champion
            Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
            • May 2018
            • 21793
            • 2,347
            • 17
            • 187,708

            #35
            - -Jerry Quarry has Ali and Joe as nemeses, esp Joe who KTFO him twice with Ali merely slicing him up twice.

            Quarry was the first to destroy the KO machine of Mac Foster who took Ali a hard 15 rds as did Shavers who BTFO Ali for 15 rds but couldn't last 1 vs Quarry who also BTFO undefeated Lyle who managed to hang on for the distance.

            Comment

            • Willie Pep 229
              hic sunt dracone
              Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
              • Mar 2020
              • 6332
              • 2,819
              • 2,759
              • 29,169

              #36
              Originally posted by QueensburyRules
              - -Jerry Quarry has Ali and Joe as nemeses, esp Joe who KTFO him twice with Ali merely slicing him up twice.

              Quarry was the first to destroy the KO machine of Mac Foster who took Ali a hard 15 rds as did Shavers who BTFO Ali for 15 rds but couldn't last 1 vs Quarry who also BTFO undefeated Lyle who managed to hang on for the distance.
              I am sure you're right but it seems to me a nemesis should have some sort of qualifier attached to it. I.e. Quarry simply wasn't in the same league with Frazier and Ali and we expected the loss. I guess that constitutes a nemesis in that they kept him from ever becoming HW Champion, but in a sense that makes everyone who can or has beaten you, your nemesis. That doesn't seem a correct usage; there's an absence uniqueness about it.

              I guess those failures constitute a nemesis relationship but they don't stand out as special.

              The Great Tommy Hearns unable to get by the mediocre Iran Barkley; Rocky Kansas losing to Benny Leonard three times, but then becoming LW Champion as soon as Leonard retires; Greb able to beat Tunney first time out but then subsequently failing four consecutive times.

              There is something special attached to each of these relationships. Quarry it seems just came up short against two superior fighters.

              But I guess to Quarry they would feel like a nemesis relationship. So never mind.
              Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 03-08-2022, 07:21 AM.

              Comment

              • GhostofDempsey
                Banned
                Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                • Mar 2017
                • 31345
                • 12,917
                • 8,587
                • 493,602

                #37
                Originally posted by markusmod
                Pacquiao's was Marquez
                He beat Marquez twice, and was robbed of a win in the first fight because Burt Clements didn't score the third knockdown in round one. So technically, be beat him 3 out of 4. I won't even get into how juiced up JMM was for their 4th encounter.

                Comment

                • GhostofDempsey
                  Banned
                  Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 31345
                  • 12,917
                  • 8,587
                  • 493,602

                  #38
                  Holmes had Spinks

                  LaMotta had Robinson

                  Harold Johnson had Moore

                  Moore had Charles

                  Pep had Saddler

                  Montgomery had Angott



                  Comment

                  • Willie Pep 229
                    hic sunt dracone
                    Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                    • Mar 2020
                    • 6332
                    • 2,819
                    • 2,759
                    • 29,169

                    #39
                    Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
                    Holmes had Spinks

                    LaMotta had Robinson

                    Harold Johnson had Moore

                    Moore had Charles

                    Pep had Saddler

                    Montgomery had Angott


                    Pep - Saddler is a good one - Pep supposedly complained that Saddler was positioned for the sole purpose of beating him (Saddler's weight cut).

                    I'm not saying it's true only that Pep made such a claim, which to me screams Pep felt like he had a nemesis in Sandy.

                    Comment

                    • Tatabanya
                      Split Draw Addict
                      Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                      • Jul 2015
                      • 10471
                      • 4,265
                      • 1,991
                      • 61,641

                      #40
                      Most obviously, Holyfield for Tyson.

                      A little less obviously, Golota for Bowe.

                      Another coming to mind is Paulie Ayala for Johnny Tapia.

                      EDIT: A-hem... Gene Tunney for Jack Dempsey...
                      Last edited by Tatabanya; 03-08-2022, 12:29 PM.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP