All top 10 wins are definetely not equal, but it's not possible to objectively decide that mr. 1980 is better than mr. 2010. What we can say though is that numbers matter. If there's more competition there is likely to be a better top. This means that the top 10 of 100 active middleweights is most likely better than the top 10 of 12 active middleweights. So if there's more active fighters is one era than another it objectively points towards that era being stronger than the other ok?
Best MW Champion since Marvin Hagler?
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He was in the 140s age 19 when Canelo turned pro, and like James Toney, he ate himself out of every division he was in. Canelo more disciplined carefully worked his weight up through the divisions never blew up like Jr in between fights, but Jr a natural cruiser whereas Canelo been strength training to make LH that Jr struggles with using extreme dieting.Comment
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All top 10 wins are definetely not equal, but it's not possible to objectively decide that mr. 1980 is better than mr. 2010. What we can say though is that numbers matter. If there's more competition there is likely to be a better top. This means that the top 10 of 100 active middleweights is most likely better than the top 10 of 12 active middleweights. So if there's more active fighters is one era than another it objectively points towards that era being stronger than the other ok?
Regardless, I do believe that the sample sizes are small enough (most fighters only have a hand full of title fights) that we can subjectively parse through and analyze each fighter's resume. Sure it would involve a little bias, but the spirited debate it creates is what this place is all about-as long as we can avoid being overly bias (especially for ancillary reasons), disingenuous, or just deflecting against viable arguments.Comment
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James Toney is unrankable . . . take the aggregate of his career and he has to be dropped to the middle of the pack; too many bad nights . . . but on any given night . . . never bet on him, never bet against him, either way he just might screw you over.Comment
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Betting against him is a safer bet because even if he wins, he'll never win with ease or in dominant fashion (Against a top level fighter)Comment
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Well said. I'm not sure GGG could have beaten Nunn or McCallum...but he damn sure wouldn't have lost to Dave Tiberi (or needed to be bailed out on the cards when he did). And therein lies the problem with Toney. His best wins were against such good fighters that he gets excused for atrocious stuff like that and Thadzi too easily.Comment
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I'm not as big of a Toney fan as others, but I will write this: I've always felt his fight against Barkley was one of the few examples of pure greatness I have ever witnessed. Other's include Nas's 'New York State of Mind, and Greg Maddux's August '95 2-hit Maddux of the St Louis Cardinals, etc, etc.Comment
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