H2H Marciano could beat anyone 200 lbs and below

[billeau2]

I don't know... But aint no way Jones beats Marciano! Keep in mind something: Marciano would narrate his fights on a popular show at the time... the name escapes me. He kept mentioning fighting out of a crouch. To me? the real guys who would fall hard are these larger fighters. How do you hit Marciano? Punching down, reaching in, where he can jump in and attack at will. Try changing levels with a jab some time... when my sheppard mix plays with me I throw jabs his way, I can't get close to him unless I reach forwards. An exceptionally well balanced fighter like Lewis would still have to find a way to get past that crouch.

[Willie Pep 229]

I believe when he said it he was speaking of the best version of Sam which he could not of course fought. I also believe it says a lot to Langfords ability and power as Dempsey wasnt so forthcoming about fearing any other fighters. Yes, fighters were more complimentary back then, but I feel this falls into the context I've placed it unless someone can show me different.

Come on . . . How can someone 'show you different'?

What I have read . . .

Dempsey said that he deliberately avoided Langford when he was first coming up, he knew he could never beat him. He expressed some awe.

in 1920 Langford came around hoping for a title shot (a payday) but the years had broken him by then. Dempsey heaped phrase on him, calling him the best ever, and then Kearns told him no thanks. Langford's title days were behind him.

I hope Kearns put some bucks in his pocket before they blew him off. My conjecture: if they were going to take on a black fighter defense it would have been Wills not Langford.

[JAB5239]

Come on . . . How can someone 'show you different'?

What I have read . . .

Dempsey said that he deliberately avoided Langford when he was first coming up, he knew he could never beat him. He expressed some awe.

in 1920 Langford came around hoping for a title shot (a payday) but the years had broken him by then. Dempsey heaped phrase on him, calling him the best ever, and then Kearns told him no thanks. Langford's title days were behind him.

I hope Kearns put some bucks in his pocket before they blew him off. My conjecture: if they were going to take on a black fighter defense it would have been Wills not Langford.

I don't know. I can't read Dempseys mind, only the words that were written of what he said, just like you. My point was and still is that Langford has the resume and respect of many ATG's that I don't think it inconceivable he he put a loss on Marciano's record had they both been prime during the same time.

Would be nice if Kearns did give him some money. Langford was thought dead in 1944 when a reporter tracked him down to an old dusty apartment where he had a room in New York. Sam was blind and alone with only a radio for company and survived on a monthly payment fron a foundation for the blind. The reporter put together some businessmen and lawyers to raise money for Sam and establish a trust where he would receive just under a $50 a month annuity until he passed away.

[GhostofDempsey]

Marciano is a long day for anyone below 200. The version of Joe Louis who knocked out Schmeling in their rematch was below 200 lbs. I pick a prime Louis over Marciano below 200. I would also pick Dempsey, Holyfield, and possibly a prime Archie Moore and Michael Spinks.

[The Old LefHook]

Stop it now!

[The Old LefHook]

I believe when he said it he was speaking of the best version of Sam which he could not of course fought. I also believe it says a lot to Langfords ability and power as Dempsey wasnt so forthcoming about fearing any other fighters. Yes, fighters were more complimentary back then, but I feel this falls into the context I've placed it unless someone can show me different.

You must be a perfect example of why mankind cannot rule itself. You cannot handle information overload. He was not forthcoming about fearing fighters because he didn't fear them. Christ! He said it about old man Langford after he was already too old to fight. The statement was nothing but graciousness. Dempsey is laying it on thick. Don't eat that up like polisht pŭssy, son.

[JAB5239]

You must be a perfect example of why mankind cannot rule itself. You cannot handle information overload. He was not forthcoming about fearing fighters because he didn't fear them. Christ! He said it about old man Langford after he was already too old to fight. The statement was nothing but graciousness. Dempsey is laying it on thick. Don't eat that up like polisht pŭssy, son.

So he just said it to be kind? Why did he not fight him in 1916 than? At that time Dempsey wanted no part of Sam and rightly so. Jack was still up and coming and Sam was still a dangerous veteran. Dempsey's own words were "I knew I'd get flattened" when talking about that proposed fight. Now later on when Sam came looking for a title shot and was blind and nearly finished amongst top fighters, Jack said no because he knew it would only be a payday for Sam, not the man at his best. You can say he didn't fear Sam all you want. He himself said he did.

Now why don't we get back on topic. How does a prime Langfared fare against Marciano.

[The Old LefHook]

He said it to seem gracious. In the style of the day it was the sporting thing to say. Or perhaps the man was also dragging a branch behind him to cover his tracks on fighting blacks. It is safe to claim fear of a tiny man like Sam but not of a giant like big Harry. People might have believed that. He is still paying homage to Langford. When you do that you use hyperbolic language. This has been my belief on this particular matter since I read the quote as a teenager.

[JAB5239]

He said it to seem gracious. In the style of the day it was the sporting thing to say. Or perhaps the man was also dragging a branch behind him to cover his tracks on fighting blacks. It is safe to claim fear of a tiny man like Sam but not of a giant like big Harry. People might have believed that. He is still paying homage to Langford. When you do that you use hyperbolic language. This has been my belief on this particular matter since I read the quote as a teenager.

He said this about the proposed fight in 1916 though, not when Sam was blind and looking to cash out with a title fight. It seems you don't realize Dempsey twice rejected the idea of fighting Langford and it was the first proposed fight he was referring to when he said he was scared of Sam. At that time he should have been as Langford was still capable and dangerous while Jack was still losing to Meehan and Flynn that year.

[uncle ben]

Marciano is a long day for anyone below 200. The version of Joe Louis who knocked out Schmeling in their rematch was below 200 lbs. I pick a prime Louis over Marciano below 200. I would also pick Dempsey, Holyfield, and possibly a prime Archie Moore and Michael Spinks.

Yeah, I'm not saying that Rocky couldn't be beaten, but he could also potentially go undefeated at 175-200 as well. Win or lose, he would be a hard opponent for any 200 or under opponent.