Worst Heavyweight Champion in Boxing History?

[QueensburyRules]

Your a bombastic fool... what does this have to do with the question at hand? yeah your obscure references make you a superfan... What an idiot you are.

- -U never say what grade U in when U pull out U PhD outta box of Sugar Pops.

Savold in the running for the worstest of the worstest hvy champs.

[JAB5239]

Your a bombastic fool... what does this have to do with the question at hand? yeah your obscure references make you a superfan... What an idiot you are.

He's an absolute idiot.

Here's an idea. Concerning this topic. Keep it to lineal and/or unified champions. For instance, today Fury is the Lineal champ thru a succession of champions. But Joshua is the unified (having 3/4 of the titles) champion and for one reason or another cannot get Fury in the Ring to settle the question of who is champion once and for all. Same scenario before Tyson finally fought Spinks.

Using this formula I believe there have been 40 heavyweight champions in history taking out the multiple reigns of Patterson, Ali, Holyfield and Lewis.

Next..,.base it on resume first, then skills. All these men had a lot of tenacity. To be a fighter at that level you would have to so I don't see that as a requirement.

So he is my list of the 5 worst champions in heavyweight history.

1. Marvin Hart
2. Leon Spinks
3. Jess Willard
4. Shannon Briggs
5. Tommy Burns

[QueensburyRules]

He's an absolute idiot.

Here's an idea. Concerning this topic. Keep it to lineal and/or unified champions. For instance, today Fury is the Lineal champ thru a succession of champions. But Joshua is the unified (having 3/4 of the titles) champion and for one reason or another cannot get Fury in the Ring to settle the question of who is champion once and for all. Same scenario before Tyson finally fought Spinks.

Using this formula I believe there have been 40 heavyweight champions in history taking out the multiple reigns of Patterson, Ali, Holyfield and Lewis.

Next..,.base it on resume first, then skills. All these men had a lot of tenacity. To be a fighter at that level you would have to so I don't see that as a requirement.

So he is my list of the 5 worst champions in heavyweight history.

1. Marvin Hart 2. Leon Spinks
3. Jess Willard
4. Shannon Briggs
5. Tommy Burns

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When U learn to count to 10?

[JAB5239]

- -12345?

When U learn to count to 10?

Do you have a better list? Oh that's right, you refuse to post any lists of your own. We're all still anxiously waiting to see your list of heavyweights you rank higher than Holmes and Holyfield.
where did you rank them again, 17 and 19th?.

[Marchegiano]

Is it really though? Most of the talent pool in Eastern Europe and Cuba comes out after an extended prime in the amateur ranks, at least for the Cubans who have to defect... Mexico rarely ever has heavyweights, so the "pool" is very very small...

Considering that when the older timers reigned, the talent pool was extended across more athletes in the areas (Boxing did not compete with Football, etc) and many fighters came to the area to fight... how much larger is the actual talent pool? Now help me out here... and lets consider this debate AFTER the color line, lol. I agree that prior to when Black Fighters were welcomed into the ranks, there was a schism of talent between the Black fighters and White.

I didn't say it's a highly talented pool, just bigger, so acknowledging the added members of the global boxing community while disregarding their talent doesn't really contradict anything bud.

In terms of techniques, displayed skill sets, **** like that, modern HWs seem to exclusively practice basic ***** ****. Especially post Wlad, Wlad made it okay to be a basic ***** by owning the division with a jab, cross, and hug. So on that, no argument, if anything boxing became smaller after the 90s. Not seen a checkhook since 190s was the minimal at HW....I think...

I hard disagree with the more competition theory. Basically that's is penetration vs size. You don't need as big a % of a population for more fans if the market is way bigger.

Most extreme boxing example I can think of is the mythical Demokrates of 25AD. Said to be known by every Roman, more than government figures and religious leaders. That's right, I just said you can take yer Jesus, Caesar, Plato, Aristotle, Diogenes, Socrates, etc, combine them, and they're still not Demokrates. Clearly for the myth of the man to exist, and tbh it's not even as big a stretch as others because Demo is in art in Africa to Japan, boxing must have held a huge penetration of the potential fan market. Let's just pretend it was absolute. That's 100% of a 170 million population. Today we're at like 6 billion. 50% of today is 3 billion. 25% is 1 1/2 billion. 1/8th a Demo penetration equates 750 million fans. I'm fairly certain all things work this way.

Kiss sales are up compared to the 70s, band makes more money now despite not having a hit for 30 years. Probably because you don't need to be top of rock charts to make more money today than those who used to top charts in the 70s....because market penetration is pretty secondary to market size. Better to own 1% of massive than 90% of tiny.

[billeau2]

I didn't say it's a highly talented pool, just bigger, so acknowledging the added members of the global boxing community while disregarding their talent doesn't really contradict anything bud.

In terms of techniques, displayed skill sets, **** like that, modern HWs seem to exclusively practice basic ***** ****. Especially post Wlad, Wlad made it okay to be a basic ***** by owning the division with a jab, cross, and hug. So on that, no argument, if anything boxing became smaller after the 90s. Not seen a checkhook since 190s was the minimal at HW....I think...

I hard disagree with the more competition theory. Basically that's is penetration vs size. You don't need as big a % of a population for more fans if the market is way bigger.

Most extreme boxing example I can think of is the mythical Demokrates of 25AD. Said to be known by every Roman, more than government figures and religious leaders. That's right, I just said you can take yer Jesus, Caesar, Plato, Aristotle, Diogenes, Socrates, etc, combine them, and they're still not Demokrates. Clearly for the myth of the man to exist, and tbh it's not even as big a stretch as others because Demo is in art in Africa to Japan, boxing must have held a huge penetration of the potential fan market. Let's just pretend it was absolute. That's 100% of a 170 million population. Today we're at like 6 billion. 50% of today is 3 billion. 25% is 1 1/2 billion. 1/8th a Demo penetration equates 750 million fans. I'm fairly certain all things work this way.

Kiss sales are up compared to the 70s, band makes more money now despite not having a hit for 30 years. Probably because you don't need to be top of rock charts to make more money today than those who used to top charts in the 70s....because market penetration is pretty secondary to market size. Better to own 1% of massive than 90% of tiny.

Yeah there are more people involved... I don't know how this affects competition so much as interest and entree into the sport. having more people involved does not automatically mean there will be more competitive boxers, though It certainly is a step in that direction. An example of why this larger population is not a direct reason for greater competition would be things like: the average age someone starts boxing, the degree of top echelon athletes from the greater population that choose the sport, the quality of training, etc.

I do think as far as just numbers of people involved and active in the sport, what you say is absolutely true... Per capita is another issue, but one I don't know the numbers for lol...

[Marchegiano]

Yeah there are more people involved... I don't know how this affects competition so much as interest and entree into the sport. having more people involved does not automatically mean there will be more competitive boxers, though It certainly is a step in that direction. An example of why this larger population is not a direct reason for greater competition would be things like: the average age someone starts boxing, the degree of top echelon athletes from the greater population that choose the sport, the quality of training, etc.

I do think as far as just numbers of people involved and active in the sport, what you say is absolutely true... Per capita is another issue, but one I don't know the numbers for lol...

Id' definitely call the bigger pool in people the smallest pool in skills.

From my perspective, all these fighters just means it's easier to get a career's length record on not so great fighters. If all there are is 10 dudes and one of them is magic you're gonna have to see that magic man or avoiding him will cost your legacy anyway. Now, no one is magic. Floyd's gone and so there's no one who can lose that'd represent that kind of impact...Like theaganese actually losing....or Figg actually losing. We don't have that magic man, what we have is a ton of mediocre careers.

[billeau2]

Id' definitely call the bigger pool in people the smallest pool in skills.

From my perspective, all these fighters just means it's easier to get a career's length record on not so great fighters. If all there are is 10 dudes and one of them is magic you're gonna have to see that magic man or avoiding him will cost your legacy anyway. Now, no one is magic. Floyd's gone and so there's no one who can lose that'd represent that kind of impact...Like theaganese actually losing....or Figg actually losing. We don't have that magic man, what we have is a ton of mediocre careers.

I agree. How good is Cannelo? He looked very mortal against Trout particularly, and Lara of course... Yet we hear of him and how he has become a force of nature. How would he do against a rip roarin' Lamotta? me wonders! me wonders!

[QueensburyRules]

Do you have a better list? Oh that's right, you refuse to post any lists of your own. We're all still anxiously waiting to see your list of heavyweights you rank higher than Holmes and Holyfield.
where did you rank them again, 17 and 19th?.

- -My dumps better than U lists.

My lists posted in the Cane sticky top heavywt thread where U dare not tread...

[JAB5239]

- -My dumps better than U lists.

My lists posted in the Cane sticky top heavywt thread where U dare not tread...

No it's not. Bump it and prove me wrong. And I would bet I have more posts in that thread than you, so saying "where I dare not tread" holds no weight, just like your posts.