Worst Heavyweight Champion in Boxing History?

[QueensburyRules]

- -Savold held the White title and the BBBc world title when he got whooped by comeback Joe Louis giving Joe a portion of the heavywt title that self inflated experts conveniently ignore. BBBc certainly more than a match for the NYASC. Sam Langford won the French stripped title of Jack Johnson in Paris against Joe Jeannette in a classic, and, yup, again, silence is golden for self inflated boxing experts.

I suppose sociological racial logistics would preclude integration of the black and white titles, but it's not unusual for for a white or black fighter to hold a Hispanic or Oriental title with nobody fussing over race or ethnicity.

One of the Charlene sistas won the WBC Juneteenth Belt over Mexican Montiel, but what if he'd knocked out Charlene? Would the sociopathic sociologists and race centric supremists make a big stink?

[Willie Pep 229]

- -Savold held the White title and the BBBc world title when he got whooped by comeback Joe Louis giving Joe a portion of the heavywt title that self inflated experts conveniently ignore. BBBc certainly more than a match for the NYASC. Sam Langford won the French stripped title of Jack Johnson in Paris against Joe Jeannette in a classic, and, yup, again, silence is golden for self inflated boxing experts.

I suppose sociological racial logistics would preclude integration of the black and white titles, but it's not unusual for for a white or black fighter to hold a Hispanic or Oriental title with nobody fussing over race or ethnicity.

One of the Charlene sistas won the WBC Juneteenth Belt over Mexican Montiel, but what if he'd knocked out Charlene? Would the sociopathic sociologists and race centric supremists make a big stink?

I don't, in anyway want to suggest that the racism you are alluding to wasn't there, it certainly was, but I think your comparison to the 'Hispanic and Oriental titles is a bit off. Those type of titles tended to denote regional titles not necessarily racial ones, (much like the North American title did,) so the recognition of say a 'White' fighter to a Hispanic title didn't usually raise eyebrows. What was going on in the States was, one region with a strong racial segregation.

[Nash out]

1. Charles Martin - It's hard to look past the whole Joshua farce. First he's walking the Earth like a God, which was awesome, but then he's entering the ring wearing shorts four sizes to small and taking a dive as he is terrified of Femi. The first knock down was legit, but the second, he was halfway down before Joshua barely landed, and was clearly fine to continue.

2. Roy Jones Jr. - Goes to to HW as he sees someone C level (John Ruiz)l who is made for him style wise to go up and grab a cheap belt to create a fake legacy, then he runs away from the division saying he couldn't beat the Klitschko's as they are to big for him and he couldn't beat them, I heard him say this, then years later, he tries to deny that he said it, and acts like he is the greatest ever. Totally overhyped.

3. Mike Tyson - Bum destroyer. His best wins being the shell of a very overrated Larry Holmes, who entered the fight 0-2 in his last two fights, and a LHW in Spinks, hardly a surprise he beat those two. Prime Mike got Bustered up by Douglas, but the myth of him at his best being unbeatable lives on til this day. Nash out.

[QueensburyRules]

1. Charles Martin - It's hard to look past the whole Joshua farce. First he's walking the Earth like a God, which was awesome, but then he's entering the ring wearing shorts four sizes to small and taking a dive as he is terrified of Femi. The first knock down was legit, but the second, he was halfway down before Joshua barely landed, and was clearly fine to continue.

2. Roy Jones Jr. - Goes to to HW as he sees someone C level (John Ruiz)l who is made for him style wise to go up and grab a cheap belt to create a fake legacy, then he runs away from the division saying he couldn't beat the Klitschko's as they are to big for him and he couldn't beat them, I heard him say this, then years later, he tries to deny that he said it, and acts like he is the greatest ever. Totally overhyped.

3. Mike Tyson - Bum destroyer. His best wins being the shell of a very overrated Larry Holmes, who entered the fight 0-2 in his last two fights, and a LHW in Spinks, hardly a surprise he beat those two. Prime Mike got Bustered up by Douglas, but the myth of him at his best being unbeatable lives on til this day. Nash out.

- -Dentures might prevent U from gnashing U gums. Roy wasn't targeting the Ks, he wanted $100 mil vs Lewie or Tyson.

Did U even watch boxing then or just another wannbee expert?

[Nash out]

- -Dentures might prevent U from gnashing U gums. Roy wasn't targeting the Ks, he wanted $100 mil vs Lewie or Tyson.

Did U even watch boxing then or just another wannbee expert?

Yes, I have watched it for 30 years. He went up to add a HW title to his legacy, He would never have dared face the great Lennox Lewis. You come across as very bitter and jealous on this forum. Whilst Nash is highly knowledgeable, he also brings fun to his posts and does not take himself too seriously, like many on here do. Nash out.

[billeau2]

I got in an argument with someone about Charles Martin. I said he's got to be one of the worst, if not the worst, heavyweight champion in boxing history. Obviously, he's likely not. But who is the worst heavyweight in boxing history?

At the end of the day, if you want to ask this question and get an intelligent, organized response, there has to be a criteria for what "worse" is. It isn't easy in the heavyweights because in all the eras, there are usually few and far between where there was legit great competition consistently. This situation has to also affect who gets called a champion at times.

With all the alphabet soup around I forget who gets to be called "champ" but Ruiz was bad, Queenies favorite, valuev was really awful, if he was ever a champ... Martin is up there as well... Canera could fight, and had decent footwork for a big man. Thats about as far as I can get lol.

[billeau2]

- -Savold held the White title and the BBBc world title when he got whooped by comeback Joe Louis giving Joe a portion of the heavywt title that self inflated experts conveniently ignore. BBBc certainly more than a match for the NYASC. Sam Langford won the French stripped title of Jack Johnson in Paris against Joe Jeannette in a classic, and, yup, again, silence is golden for self inflated boxing experts.

I suppose sociological racial logistics would preclude integration of the black and white titles, but it's not unusual for for a white or black fighter to hold a Hispanic or Oriental title with nobody fussing over race or ethnicity.

One of the Charlene sistas won the WBC Juneteenth Belt over Mexican Montiel, but what if he'd knocked out Charlene? Would the sociopathic sociologists and race centric supremists make a big stink?

Your a bombastic fool... what does this have to do with the question at hand? yeah your obscure references make you a superfan... What an idiot you are.

[billeau2]

I didn't think it was a heap of praise tbh, just a lot to explain a small victory imo. He was a single strap holder in a time when boxing was more global. That's not even calling him a great for his time let alone an all time great. That's just acknowledging he got to a title at a time when the whole world except like North Korea or some such had a chance to get in that title shot. Which is probably the only thing Martin can say he did a lot of ATGs never did.

Don't get me twisted bud, I'm definitely still a Marciano fan. I'm just acknowledging Marciano's pool was smaller.

Is it really though? Most of the talent pool in Eastern Europe and Cuba comes out after an extended prime in the amateur ranks, at least for the Cubans who have to defect... Mexico rarely ever has heavyweights, so the "pool" is very very small...

Considering that when the older timers reigned, the talent pool was extended across more athletes in the areas (Boxing did not compete with Football, etc) and many fighters came to the area to fight... how much larger is the actual talent pool? Now help me out here... and lets consider this debate AFTER the color line, lol. I agree that prior to when Black Fighters were welcomed into the ranks, there was a schism of talent between the Black fighters and White.

[Flickergrab98]

At the end of the day, if you want to ask this question and get an intelligent, organized response, there has to be a criteria for what "worse" is. It isn't easy in the heavyweights because in all the eras, there are usually few and far between where there was legit great competition consistently. This situation has to also affect who gets called a champion at times.

That is the thing about the heavyweight division. There are obviously very few people in the world who are of that size. So, of course it keeps alternating between short bursts of lively and talented competition and long periods of “hibernation”. Whereas as smaller weight classes like welterweight have more consistent levels of talent, cause it’s easier find great boxers who are the size of a normal human being.

[billeau2]

That is the thing about the heavyweight division. There are obviously very few people in the world who are of that size. So, of course it keeps alternating between short bursts of lively and talented competition and long periods of “hibernation”. Whereas as smaller weight classes like welterweight have more consistent levels of talent, cause it’s easier find great boxers who are the size of a normal human being.

Absolutely correct. Great post.