Joe Frazier vs Joe Louis

[Dr. Z]

Bums like Braddock the journeyman who was beaten by many people and have not fought in two years, but floored Joe Louis, Tommy Farr who stunned him on film , and a fat slob Galento who did the same ..." Bums of the month " they were called then and now, were special indeed. These bums would not be ranked at heavyweight today!!!!

This is disgusting,especially coming from you who has never had a boxing match.Braddock,Farr, and Galento were all very brave men.Pro fighters are not bums.

It takes guts to get in a ring for a real fight ,and enormous courage to face a destroyer like Louis,more courage than you have ever possessed.
Your hate posts on Johnson,Dempsey,Louis, and Lewis are well documented on this and another forum.
It shows the sickening disrespect we have come to expect from you.

I was referring to Louis " bum or the month " club, and I rate that these men would not be ranked IF they were active today. Most of the would be cruiser weight or below. Watch them if you " think " they were good or would rate today.

I think highly of Lennox Lewis and personally rate him in the top five in my all time heavyweight rankings. He would destroy Joe Louis.

Dempsey and Johnson are historically over rated and you can not deal with my facts as to why.

You got one thing right, they were all brave men.

[Willie Pep 229]

I am referring to him in bum of the month club. He was brave.

He was the HW Champion of the World when he fought Louis. He was not part of the Bum of the Month Club by anyone's standard.

[Ascended]

I was referring to Louis " bum or the month " club, and I rate that these men would not be ranked IF they were active today. Most of the would be cruiser weight or below. Watch them if you " think " they were good or would rate today.

I think highly of Lennox Lewis and personally rate him in the top five in my all time heavyweight rankings. He would destroy Joe Louis.

Dempsey and Johnson are historically over rated and you can not deal with my facts as to why.

You got one thing right, they were all brave men.

He's trolling, and very slow, Len would destroy that whole era. Even in his amateur form, they never saw anybody as advanced as him or the guys he fought.

Dempsey/Johnson are even worse, then the era Louis fought in, the Johnson era is worse, then Dempsey, all these era's are novice like compared to the 70s-90s

why he is offended at you calling the louis era bums is beyond me no one even made midcard/top fighting with those tech and flaws they used in 70s-90s this is fact

[Ivich]

I was referring to Louis " bum or the month " club, and I rate that these men would not be ranked IF they were active today. Most of the would be cruiser weight or below. Watch them if you " think " they were good or would rate today.

I think highly of Lennox Lewis and personally rate him in the top five in my all time heavyweight rankings. He would destroy Joe Louis.

Dempsey and Johnson are historically over rated and you can not deal with my facts as to why.

You got one thing right, they were all brave men.

What I got right was that none of their opponents were bums, which is what you stated.
I see you have found a new tag team partner in Money The Man,he ,being ignorant and ****** , should suit you down to the ground!

[Dr. Z]

What I got right was that none of their opponents were bums, which is what you stated.
I see you have found a new tag team partner in Money The Man,he ,being ignorant and ****** , should suit you down to the ground!

Fool, the sport sports writers of the times called them the Bum of the month club

In the 29 months from January 1939 through May 1941, Louis defended his title thirteen times, a frequency unmatched by any heavyweight champion since the end of the bare-knuckle era. The pace of his title defenses, combined with his convincing wins, earned Louis's opponents from this era the collective nickname "Bum of the Month Club".^[27] Notables of this lambasted pantheon include:

• World light heavyweight champion John Henry Lewis who, attempting to move up a weight class, was knocked out in the first round by Louis on January 25, 1939.^[64]
• "Two Ton" Tony Galento, who was able to knock Louis to the canvas with a left hook in the third round of their bout on June 28, 1939, before letting his guard down and being knocked out in the fourth.^[64]
• Chilean Arturo Godoy, whom Louis fought twice in 1940, on February 9 and June 20. Louis won the first bout by a split-decision, and the rematch by a knockout in the eighth round.^[64]
• Al McCoy, putative New England heavyweight champion, whose fight against Louis is probably best known for being the first heavyweight title bout held in Boston, Massachusetts, (at the Boston Garden on December 16, 1940). The popular local challenger dodged his way around Louis before being unable to respond to the sixth-round bell.^[64]
• Clarence "Red" Burman, who pressed Louis for nearly five rounds at Madison Square Garden on January 31, 1941, before succumbing to a series of body blows.^[64]
• Gus Dorazio, of whom Louis remarked, "At least he tried", after being leveled by a short right hand in the second round at Philadelphia's Convention Hall on February 17.^[64]
• Abe Simon, who endured thirteen rounds of punishment before 18,908 at Olympia Stadium in Detroit on March 21 before referee Sam Hennessy declared a TKO.
• Tony Musto, who, at 5'7½" and 198 pounds, was known as "Baby Tank". Despite a unique crouching style, Musto was slowly worn down over eight and a half rounds in St. Louis on April 8, and the fight was called a TKO because of a severe cut over Musto's eye.^[64][65]
• Buddy Baer (brother of former champion Max), who was leading the May 23, 1941, bout in Washington, D.C., until an eventual barrage by Louis, capped by a hit at the sixth round bell. Referee Arthur Donovan disqualified Baer before the beginning of the seventh round as a result of stalling by Baer's manager.^[64

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Now two of the members of the bum or the month club floored Louis and another IMO was robbed of a decision win or draw.

[JAB5239]

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Lewis only looked for re-matches when he needed them vs. Rhaman and McCall to avenge early KO losses! He did not re-match Bruno, Mercer or Vitali in closes fights. In Vitali's cases Lewis said multiple times he would re-match him, and the money was there. Vitali was up 4-2 all three cards when the fight was called by the ring doctor on a cut. Lewis played a waiting game for months and tried to make other matches with Johnson and Jones. When the WBC ordered the re-match months later it was only then he retired.

If you think the onus is on the challenger to get the rematch, Vitali did that! Get your story straight, Cowboy and embrace the facts.

You're not very bright. I've already shown you Lewis wasn't trying to make a Johnson fight after Vits. But please feel free to post some evidence. I'll be happy to say I was wrong on that if you can.

Let me get this straight. You are putting Lewis down for fights he won, and didn't ratch, but making excuses for ol Vits not rematching Byrd after.losimg??

[JAB5239]

You're slow, dr he's comparing like me, no one for a fact-made pro fighting with those many obsolete technologies and flaws in the era Galento fought in. All of those guys look trash compared to the average 70s–90s fighter, so yes, they were trash looking back.

How can Louis at the time look at those fighters as trash? You're very slow. If you think Louis when he was old in the 70s, when he saw some of that era Ali fought in that, Joe didn't look back at his era as trash. Of course he did. He saw the era he was watching as way more advanced, just like I see the Ali era as way more advanced. Stop the crap.


drop any or those guys from the galento era in 70s and they all are destroyed they never seen. Guys as advanced as guys in 70s

Is that why you ignored my post on the 3rd Frazier fight you posted?

[JAB5239]

I was referring to Louis " bum or the month " club, and I rate that these men would not be ranked IF they were active today. Most of the would be cruiser weight or below. Watch them if you " think " they were good or would rate today.

I think highly of Lennox Lewis and personally rate him in the top five in my all time heavyweight rankings. He would destroy Joe Louis.

Dempsey and Johnson are historically over rated and you can not deal with my facts as to why.

You got one thing right, they were all brave men.

If they fought today they would have access to better nutrition, supplements and medical treatment. So it's impossible for you to prove they wouldn't be ranked or heavyweights. You seem to want to penalize them for the time they fought in instead of seeing the whole picture and keeping an open mind.

[Ascended]

Fool, the sport sports writers of the times called them the Bum of the month club



Now two of the members of the bum or the month club floored Louis and another IMO was robbed of a decision win or draw.

Galento jersey,I seen mutiple people in 80s-90s advance jersey style,Butterbean was a way more advanced galento

I seen others who advanced galento style to in 80s

[Ascended]

Is that why you ignored my post on the 3rd Frazier fight you posted?

had no reason to respond to it when it's as I said vs. a fighter with flaws and tech of that era,which automatically makes you're commebt invalid,

I specifically exactly said mutiple times flaws of the Louis era, which you lied saying alot of fighters made mid-top in the 70s and 90s using when they didn't. You lied like I said. I meant exactly what I said not what you tried to make my words mean

I posted multiple matches of fights in the Louis era without him even being in the match, and they all showed the same flaws and tech as each other. That's not a coincidence; they all had the same flaws because it was all they knew was the best at the time.

Me showing those matches automatically means, as I said, the WHOLE era was trash, not just Louis compared to the 1970s and 1990s.