Joe Frazier vs Joe Louis

[Dr. Z]

If they fought today they would have access to better nutrition, supplements and medical treatment. So it's impossible for you to prove they wouldn't be ranked or heavyweights. You seem to want to penalize them for the time they fought in instead of seeing the whole picture and keeping an open mind.

I do have an open mind and yes the nutrition is better today for the most part for those who follow it. But the skeleton structure of many of the " heavyweights " in the 1930's and 1940's are part of the issue. There lack of hight and reach are not found in the division today. Oh the 30's and 40's had their big goons who where terrible boxers on film. The 30's and 40's big guy's could not spell a boxing jab.

Do you have an open mind on these points too?

[JAB5239]

had no reason to respond to it when it's as I said vs. a fighter with flaws and tech of that era,which automatically makes you're commebt invalid,

I specifically exactly said mutiple times flaws of the Louis era, which you lied saying alot of fighters made mid-top in the 70s and 90s using when they didn't. You lied like I said. I meant exactly what I said not what you tried to make my words mean

I posted multiple matches of fights in the Louis era without him even being in the match, and they all showed the same flaws and tech as each other. That's not a coincidence; they all had the same flaws because it was all they knew was the best at the time.

Me showing those matches automatically means, as I said, the WHOLE era was trash, not just Louis compared to the 1970s and 1990s.

Lmao....you posted a video with the same flaws you complain about. That couldn't have worked out any better if I found it myself!!

[JAB5239]

I do have an open mind and yes the nutrition is better today for the most part for those who follow it. But the skeleton structure of many of the " heavyweights " in the 1930's and 1940's are part of the issue. There lack of hight and reach are not found in the division today. Oh the 30's and 40's had their big goons who where terrible boxers on film. The 30's and 40's big guy's could not spell a boxing jab.

Do you have an open mind on these points too?

Absolutely open minded. If those guys were born in the 50's to 70's their parents would have had access to better food, nutrition and medicine in all likelihood making them taller. Their skeleton structure wasn't small, and would have been bigger with these advancements.

It's funny to me you say they're (sp) "big goons" were terrible on film when Carnera and Vits ahve such a similar style.

[Ascended]

Absolutely open minded. If those guys were born in the 50's to 70's their parents would have had access to better food, nutrition and medicine in all likelihood making them taller. Their skeleton structure wasn't small, and would have been bigger with these advancements.

It's funny to me you say they're (sp) "big goons" were terrible on film when Carnera and Vits ahve such a similar style.

So saying another lie huh on Primo is like vit you read that lie from other crazy idiots want me to expose you again? You can't help yourself, can you?

I'll say this which is fact multiple people make fun of Primo he never was undefeated for years he isn't known to be the top 5 best HW outbox of all time all of which Vit was known for except he isn't made fun of
He also didn't struggle with trash tech and obsolete fighters unlike prim

[Ascended]

Absolutely open minded. If those guys were born in the 50's to 70's their parents would have had access to better food, nutrition and medicine in all likelihood making them taller. Their skeleton structure wasn't small, and would have been bigger with these advancements.

It's funny to me you say they're (sp) "big goons" were terrible on film when Carnera and Vits ahve such a similar style.

That's truth from 2010 liar nothing like vit at all crazy idiot, ontop of prim having all those obsolete flaws that didn't exist in any fighter vit fought not even in amateurs

[Ascended]

Absolutely open minded. If those guys were born in the 50's to 70's their parents would have had access to better food, nutrition and medicine in all likelihood making them taller. Their skeleton structure wasn't small, and would have been bigger with these advancements.

It's funny to me you say they're (sp) "big goons" were terrible on film when Carnera and Vits ahve such a similar style.

[Ascended]

Absolutely open minded. If those guys were born in the 50's to 70's their parents would have had access to better food, nutrition and medicine in all likelihood making them taller. Their skeleton structure wasn't small, and would have been bigger with these advancements.

It's funny to me you say they're (sp) "big goons" were terrible on film when Carnera and Vits ahve such a similar style.

More proof

[Ascended]

Absolutely open minded. If those guys were born in the 50's to 70's their parents would have had access to better food, nutrition and medicine in all likelihood making them taller. Their skeleton structure wasn't small, and would have been bigger with these advancements.

It's funny to me you say they're (sp) "big goons" were terrible on film when Carnera and Vits ahve such a similar style.

Liar

[JAB5239]

More proof

Looks like Vits vs Byrd, only primo won.

[Ascended]

Looks like Vits vs Byrd, only primo won.

Looks nothing like those fighters stop lying I just exposed you with 3 matches of primo fighting nothing like vit him and the person looks trash in every match,and primo you're a idiot

If I post those vit or Byrd they would be way more advanced then this whole novice era so stop the lying saying nonsense