The Most Overrated ''Old School Fighter''?

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  • Ivich
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    #81
    Originally posted by QueensburyRules

    - - Welcome to go to annual IBRO meetings to lecture them oldtimers who continue to rate Rocky where Nat rated him.

    Surely you would be gracious enough to provide us with the youtube video for our enlightenment......
    Fleischer died over 50years ago,with champions after that date including
    Foreman
    Holmes
    Wlad
    Tyson
    Holyfield
    Bowe
    Lewis
    Fury
    It would only be logical common sense to state Marciano's rating has dropped.

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      #82
      Originally posted by Ivich
      Fleischer died over 50years ago,with champions after that date including
      Foreman
      Holmes
      Wlad
      Tyson
      Holyfield
      Bowe
      Lewis
      Fury
      It would only be logical common sense to state Marciano's rating has dropped.
      - - OK, then let it be U storming IBRO to give them a proper lecture in your transgibbering dialect as to where they need to place Rocky somewhere rearward near U rearward......

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        #83
        Originally posted by QueensburyRules

        - - OK, then let it be U storming IBRO to give them a proper lecture in your transgibbering dialect as to where they need to place Rocky somewhere rearward near U rearward......
        ,
        IBRO means nothing to me as far as I'm concerned its a lot of insecure people paying X amount of $$$ to say they belong to it and thereby gain whatever kudos they think they can from the fact.All you need to be a member is $$$
        Their collective opinion means as much to me as yours, ie **** all.
        .With the advent of
        Liston
        Ali
        Holmes
        Foreman
        Tyson
        Holyfield
        Bowe
        Wlad
        Rocky is no longer in my top ten and neither is Frazier. Others will rank them where they will,they will not care where I put them. nor I where they do.

        Would you like me to send you a pm when I am going to post something? I wouldn't want you to miss any of my content! lol

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        • Willie Pep 229
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          #84
          Originally posted by Ivich
          Marciano was the favourite in every title fight he was in,
          Oh yeah usually the favorite but never thought unbeatable --> he was always doubted and there was always money bet against him. But yes, the favorite except maybe Walcott I.

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            #85
            Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

            Oh yeah usually the favorite but never thought unbeatable --> he was always doubted and there was always money bet against him. But yes, the favorite except maybe Walcott I.
            Marciano was the favourite against Walcott in both fights.

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              #86
              Originally posted by Ivich

              Marciano was the favourite against Walcott in both fights.
              Yea OK but don't you see the point I am trying to make? That he was always thought beatable.

              Yes the betting favorite but not the legendary champion his undefeated record eventually brings him.

              Some people seriously thought Charles, Walcott, even Louis would expose him. Rex Layne, first time out, (pre-title) had many thinking he would expose Marciano.

              I guess what I am trying to say is that he was thought more highly of after he stopped fighting. At the time he was thought to be mortal.

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                #87
                Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

                Yea OK but don't you see the point I am trying to make? That he was always thought beatable.

                Yes the betting favorite but not the legendary champion his undefeated record eventually brings him.

                Some people seriously thought Charles, Walcott, even Louis would expose him. Rex Layne, first time out, (pre-title) had many thinking he would expose Marciano.

                I guess what I am trying to say is that he was thought more highly of after he stopped fighting. At the time he was thought to be mortal.
                Maybe he was thought more highly of because of his indomitable will to win. I don't know, just trying to think of why.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by JAB5239

                  Maybe he was thought more highly of because of his indomitable will to win. I don't know, just trying to think of why.
                  Yea I think so too.

                  Certainly one of the most dramatic careers regarding what happened in the ring itself. No political or social issues on the table. But damn near every fight had some kind of Hollywood romance to it. Come from behind one punch KO, having to fight his hero, ripped open face, gets KD. No fight ever seemed a certainty. The stuff legends are made of.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

                    Yea OK but don't you see the point I am trying to make? That he was always thought beatable.

                    Yes the betting favorite but not the legendary champion his undefeated record eventually brings him.

                    Some people seriously thought Charles, Walcott, even Louis would expose him. Rex Layne, first time out, (pre-title) had many thinking he would expose Marciano.

                    I guess what I am trying to say is that he was thought more highly of after he stopped fighting. At the time he was thought to be mortal.
                    Louis was favourite to beat him probably sentimental money.I presume you meant Lastarza not Layne? Lastarza was the favourite in their 1st fight.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by Ivich
                      ,
                      IBRO means nothing to me as far as I'm concerned its a lot of insecure people paying X amount of $$$ to say they belong to it and thereby gain whatever kudos they think they can from the fact.All you need to be a member is $$$
                      Their collective opinion means as much to me as yours, ie **** all.
                      .With the advent of
                      Liston
                      Ali
                      Holmes
                      Foreman
                      Tyson
                      Holyfield
                      Bowe
                      Wlad
                      Rocky is no longer in my top ten and neither is Frazier. Others will rank them where they will,they will not care where I put them. nor I where they do.

                      Would you like me to send you a pm when I am going to post something? I wouldn't want you to miss any of my content! lol
                      - - Could care less about your two dimensional lineal list when we live in a 5 dimensional world, so no, not interested in your premenstrual offerings.

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