The Most Overrated ''Old School Fighter''?

[Willow The Wisp]

What theory? Videos show I’m right lots of them and yea early 00-now are way more advanced than the '70s-90s just like the 70s are way more advanced than the novice era 40s They look horrible highlight only follower watcher idiot

Early 00 is 2000-2004-5 and fighters advanced again 10 year a after that and then 10 years from That I can see differences with each of these eras which is why I'm always right

it’s a very big difference it’s not up to me to fix you’re vision I can see advances and others who have good vision can too that’s all I care about

how am I a troll when you’re the lunatic, not I you guys are hurt by what I say I’m not hurt by what you lunatics say you’re hurt i say and show the truth

Like Jim Jones interpreting the King James Bible.

[Ascended]

Like Jim Jones interpreting the King James Bible.

That's right no response crazy idiot I'll keep showing the truth

[Willie Pep 229]

I am still thinking an angry AI.

[Slugfester]

Louis/srr both are talked of as if they could beat way more advanced fighters in the 70s-'90s, yet never even faced guys as advanced in those eras's even on an amateur level, very odd they are spoken of so highly that way

Because your head is so narrow do you have to turn the fork sideways to take a bite?

[Ascended]

Because your head is so narrow do you have to turn the fork sideways to take a bite?

Lunatic

[DooGee#33]

I would say Duran, not because of ability/record but because some people rate him above Leonard and that is a bit excessive to say the least.

It's more common knowledge than anything. Leonard doesn't have a very strong case to be rated over Duran. Roberto accomplished more, dominated his weight class for a sustained period of time (12) defenses over 6 years (11 by knockout).

12lbs north of his prime weight class he kicks Leonard's butt in his defacto hometown. Duran was still winning titles at 37 years old. Ray was not competitive with the top of the division at 34 years old.

I'm pretty sure Duran has twice as many knockouts as Leonard had fights.

[soul_survivor]

Somebody posted Joe Louis and that's a great answer.

Obviously there is not just one correct answer and this is all subjective, while keeping in mind Joe Louis was a great fighter but compared to the heavyweights that came after and their legacies, he is the one most propped up by the "old school is great" club.

Louis was particularly slow, got KOd by a, at best, b level opponent and his skills were not of the level of many latter heavyweights and even some before.

[cfang]

…and yet he made 25 defences and without the war, how many? 35? 40? Would he be called to overrated then?

[cfang]

Sorry that’s Louis ofc

[Willow The Wisp]

I'm too much of an orthodox history guy to embrace the concept of an "Old school " great being overrated. Seems like after so many decades of review, the chips have fallen just about where they should.

There are a range of choices made in this time traveled thread, few of which I agree with anyway, but many seem forced, as if answering the question was an important errand and they had to select someone/anyone.

But the fun times jousting with whats his name about some mythical turning point of stylistic evolution, and the mention of Roberto Duran above, calls to mind that the amazingly astute trainer, Ray Arcel (1899 - 1994), who trained 20 world champions when there really was such a thing, in a time with far fewer divisions, was vehement that subtile tricks of the trade were gradually being lost following the 2nd world war, and he was in the corner of champions Benny Leonard, Ezzard Charles, Jim Braddock, Barney Ross, Bob Olin, Tony Zale, Billy Soose, Ceferino Garcia, Lou Brouillard, Teddy Yarosz, Freddie Steele, Jackie Kid Berg, Alfonso Frazier, Abe Goldstein, Frankie Genaro, Tony Marino, Sixto Escobar, Charley Phil Rosenberg.......Roberto Durán and Larry Holmes.

I watch the films, and I have NO PROBLEM seeing what Ray was talking about, and I've seen a lot of films.