(Poll) SRR the greatest of all time? According to Ali - Yes!

[StarshipTrooper]

I'd say the 11 best people Ali fought are better than the 11 best Louis fought, but by no landslide.

Louis' best wins are:
Carnera, M. Baer, Braddock, Schmeling II, Conn (x2), Walcott (x2), Uzcudun, Lewis, Farr, Sharkey, and B. Baer.

Ali's best wins are:
Norton (x2), Frazier (x2), Foreman, Liston (x2), Patterson I, Quarry (x2), Ellis, Bugner (x2), Lyle, Young, Shavers

Louis convincingly beat all his opponents at least once, and in impressive fashion. Ali never convincingly beat Norton, and he robbed Jimmy Young. Louis also got all his wins fighting clean, while Ali broke every rule he could.

Now, Louis still has 22 notable guys he beat after his best 11. Those 22 guys are by FAR, and I mean FAR, better than Ali's next best 22 opponents.

According to Putrid Pommie Louis only fought "bums" What a tool.

Poet

[them_apples]

I'd say the 11 best people Ali fought are better than the 11 best Louis fought, but by no landslide.

Louis' best wins are:
Carnera, M. Baer, Braddock, Schmeling II, Conn (x2), Walcott (x2), Uzcudun, Lewis, Farr, Sharkey, and B. Baer.

Ali's best wins are:
Norton (x2), Frazier (x2), Foreman, Liston (x2), Patterson I, Quarry (x2), Ellis, Bugner (x2), Lyle, Young, Shavers

Louis convincingly beat all his opponents at least once, and in impressive fashion. Ali never convincingly beat Norton, and he robbed Jimmy Young. Louis also got all his wins fighting clean, while Ali broke every rule he could.

Now, Louis still has 22 notable guys he beat after his best 11. Those 22 guys are by FAR, and I mean FAR, better than Ali's next best 22 opponents.

I can't agree with this, think Ali's best opponents were much better competition then Louis'.

Walcott is the best opponent on Louis' resume and he'd lose to just about everyone on those you listed for Ali aside from Ellis and Bugner.

Not bad opponents, but I rate Louis because of his longevity more so then his competition. Ali fought much better competition.

[Obama]

I can't agree with this, think Ali's best opponents were much better competition then Louis'.

Walcott is the best opponent on Louis' resume and he'd lose to just about everyone on those you listed for Ali aside from Ellis and Bugner.

Not bad opponents, but I rate Louis because of his longevity more so then his competition. Ali fought much better competition.

Walcott is not better than Max Baer imo, but it's close. And to think that Carnera, M. Baer, Braddock, Schmeling, Conn, and Walcott lose to Quarry, Lyle, Young, and Shavers is blasphemy.

[Obama]

Also, to think that glass jaw Patterson beats M. Baer is perhaps the funniest thing I've ever heard. Altho, I do rate him higher as a Heavyweight, just he's never winning head to head.

And considering what Foreman did to Frazier and Norton, you gotta at least give Baer a chance.

[them_apples]

Walcott is not better than Max Baer imo, but it's close. And to think that Carnera, M. Baer, Braddock, Schmeling, Conn, and Walcott lose to Quarry, Lyle, Young, and Shavers is blasphemy.

It's not Blasphemy imo. Not saying they would win 10/10 times, but Walcott getting tagged by big punchers like them is not out of the question.

How is Baer better then Walcott? Walcott had boat loads of more skill then Baer.

[them_apples]

Also, to think that glass jaw Patterson beats M. Baer is perhaps the funniest thing I've ever heard. Altho, I do rate him higher as a Heavyweight, just he's never winning head to head.

And considering what Foreman did to Frazier and Norton, you gotta at least give Baer a chance.

I'm sorry, but Foreman was just something else compared to Max Baer. Perhaps similar styles, but I see your point on a stylistic approach. Norton couldn't deal with huge punchers. I think Frazier would beat Baer though, Baer doesn't have the mother of all uppercuts like Foreman did nor does he have the size and strength of Foreman.

Walcott getting tagged by a guy like Shavers is not out of the question, he hit Holmes, Ali, Norton...the man is very underrated. Walcott couldn't take his overhand right.

[Slimey Limey]

I've slapped you around like a red-headed step-child before and I'll have no problem doing it again: You're digging yourself deeper. I really don't know what else you can say that could possibly make you look more like an ass than you already have.....but I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Poet

Actually you never slapped anyone around. I always remember you back peddling as soon as someone does not submit to your pro Louis nuthugging crap and you try to hide the fact that you lost with the same old child-ish *******ual references.

Instead of not debating and just standing on the sidelines with your petty little 8th grade insults, you should keep your mouth shut altogether since you can't contribute anything.

Btw, Louis is not even top 5 ATG HW.

I'd say the 11 best people Ali fought are better than the 11 best Louis fought, but by no landslide.

Louis' best wins are:
Carnera, M. Baer, Braddock, Schmeling II, Conn (x2), Walcott (x2), Uzcudun, Lewis, Farr, Sharkey, and B. Baer.

Ali's best wins are:
Norton (x2), Frazier (x2), Foreman, Liston (x2), Patterson I, Quarry (x2), Ellis, Bugner (x2), Lyle, Young, Shavers

Louis convincingly beat all his opponents at least once, and in impressive fashion. Ali never convincingly beat Norton, and he robbed Jimmy Young. Louis also got all his wins fighting clean, while Ali broke every rule he could.

Now, Louis still has 22 notable guys he beat after his best 11. Those 22 guys are by FAR, and I mean FAR, better than Ali's next best 22 opponents.

Actually Ali convincingly beat Norton the second time and the old "He robbed Young" is quite hypocritical since Walcott actually beat Louis as well the first time.

LOL you mentioned Uzcudun, Lewis and Farr? Ali's WORST opponents during his reign were better than that. And Ali's 11 best opponents compared to Louis are so much better it's actually sad that people fool themselves and try to convince themselves that guys like Braddock, Bears, Carnera are ANYWHERE near immortal ATG's like Foreman, Frazier and Liston.

I''d say ALi's resume is 98% perfect, and Louis' is 35% in comparison. You are incredibly biased towards Louis just like Poet and others, in fact i'm starting to think you are his alt.

Walcott is not better than Max Baer imo, but it's close. And to think that Carnera, M. Baer, Braddock, Schmeling, Conn, and Walcott lose to Quarry, Lyle, Young, and Shavers is blasphemy.

Blasphemy! Hahaha.
Indeed Ali's worst opponents would easily beat Louis' best except Walcott and Charles(who both actually beat Louis). What really is blasphemy is that you had the fookin nerves to put CARNERA, Bear, Walcott, Shmeling and Conn in comparison to Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Norton and Patterson.
Ali has 5 Top 10/top 20 ATG HWs on his resume. Joe Louis does not even have 1.

[RightCross94]

alright, *******. His era was weak, period. he wouldn't have survived in the 20's, pfp dempsey 1919 kills him.

lmao

man ray would probably beat Dempsey and not p4p either, im talking for real

dempsey was in the 180's for most of his fights and ray was at MW for a great deal of his career, thats 20 odd pounds, quite a lot but i still think ray would beat him, completely different skill level

[StarshipTrooper]

Actually you never slapped anyone around. I always remember you back peddling as soon as someone does not submit to your pro Louis nuthugging crap and you try to hide the fact that you lost with the same old child-ish *******ual references.

Instead of not debating and just standing on the sidelines with your petty little 8th grade insults, you should keep your mouth shut altogether since you can't contribute anything.

Actually I gave you reasoned answers and quoted source material which you disregarded. I only resorted insults when it became patendly obvious that you were a 24 karot ignoramous for whom reason was wasted on.

Btw, Louis is not even top 5 ATG HW.

Now THAT is obvious bias. Clearly you're just a fan-boi who nuthugs a few fighters but is not a fan of the sport.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Btw, Louis is not even top 5 ATG HW

BTW, if you're so hot to trot for Ali maybe you should take the discussion with someone like LRR who actually hates Ali and denies his greatness. I get the feeling, though, this is more than just about Ali......the person who's legacy you're REALLY trying to protect is Marciano. Get over it: Marciano wouldn't have survived past 7 rounds against a prime Louis.

Poet