(Poll) SRR the greatest of all time? According to Ali - Yes!

[Southpaw16BF]

Actually I don't discredit Joe Louis or Ray Robinson. I just point out how they are very overrated because they are frequently reffered to as greatest Heavyweight ever and Greatest fighter ever even though Ali holds the right to BOTH of those titles.

And I don't consider you having a bias for Louis because you made a favorable post about him. It was more on the lines of you making nothing but favorable posts about him. You see no flaws in him, even though he is.

And btw mate, I already won those wars.

This is from a poster who credits Ali's wins over Joe Bugner, Chuck Wepner, George Chuvalo, and Leon Spinks as great. That is overrating a fighter, you troll.

[Obama]

This is from a poster who credits Ali's wins over Joe Bugner, Chuck Wepner, George Chuvalo, and Leon Spinks as great. That is overrating a fighter, you troll.

Joe Bugner is significantly better than the rest of them at least. In fact he's better than some other guys he named too:

Doug Jones
Henry Cooper
Brian London
Karl Mildenberger
Ernie Terrell
Ringo Bonavena
Buster Mathis
Mac Foster

[Southpaw16BF]

Joe Bugner is significantly better than the rest of them at least. In fact he's better than some other guys he named too:

Doug Jones
Henry Cooper
Brian London
Karl Mildenberger
Ernie Terrell
Ringo Bonavena
Buster Mathis

My point is he is calling Bunger, Cooper and Chuvalo great wins for Ali. And yet he says i'am overhyping Ray Robinson????

[Obama]

Actually I listed the best wins Ali had based on the quality of opposition.

This isn't saying anything. I did the same for Louis, Johnson, Wills, and Langford. Ali isn't ahead of any of them resume wise by a good distance. In fact I consider Louis' constant quality opponents more impressive.

[Obama]

My point is he is calling Bunger, Cooper and Chuvalo great wins for Ali. And yet he says i'am overhyping Ray Robinson????

Absolutely, he's just hugging Ali's nuts.

[StarshipTrooper]

Actually I don't discredit Joe Louis or Ray Robinson. I just point out how they are very overrated because they are frequently reffered to as greatest Heavyweight ever and Greatest fighter ever even though Ali holds the right to BOTH of those titles.

And I don't consider you having a bias for Louis because you made a favorable post about him. It was more on the lines of you making nothing but favorable posts about him. You see no flaws in him, even though he is.

And btw mate, I already won those wars.

You can run up a white flag right now because you've already lost but are too ****** to realize it: They're toying with you the way I'd toy with an opponent ranked 300 points below me in an open tournament.

Poet

[Slimey Limey]

Joe Bugner is significantly better than the rest of them at least. In fact he's better than some other guys he named too:

Doug Jones
Henry Cooper
Brian London
Karl Mildenberger
Ernie Terrell
Ringo Bonavena
Buster Mathis
Mac Foster

In fact he's better than most of the guys you named on Louis' resume too.

This isn't saying anything. I did the same for Louis, Johnson, Wills, and Langford. Ali isn't ahead of any of them resume wise by a good distance. In fact I consider Louis' constant quality opponents more impressive.

Actually it is saying a lot. Yes you did the same for Louis and the rest, and if you compare the wins you will see Ali's quality of opposition is much higher and more consistent, and the fact that he has all time great wins against the likes of Foreman, Frazier and Liston is enough to showcase who is greater.

[Slimey Limey]

You can run up a white flag right now because you've already lost but are too ****** to realize it: They're toying with you the way I'd toy with an opponent ranked 300 points below me in an open tournament.

Poet

As usual, Poet just standing by the sidelines nitpicking which side he's on and making his little remarks, but not actually engaging in the debate because he knows he'd lose.

[StarshipTrooper]

As usual, Poet just standing by the sidelines nitpicking which side he's on and making his little remarks, but not actually engaging in the debate because he knows he'd lose.

I've slapped you around like a red-headed step-child before and I'll have no problem doing it again: You're digging yourself deeper. I really don't know what else you can say that could possibly make you look more like an ass than you already have.....but I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Poet

[Obama]

In fact he's better than most of the guys you named on Louis' resume too.




Actually it is saying a lot. Yes you did the same for Louis and the rest, and if you compare the wins you will see Ali's quality of opposition is much higher and more consistent, and the fact that he has all time great wins against the likes of Foreman, Frazier and Liston is enough to showcase who is greater.

I'd say the 11 best people Ali fought are better than the 11 best Louis fought, but by no landslide.

Louis' best wins are:
Carnera, M. Baer, Braddock, Schmeling II, Conn (x2), Walcott (x2), Uzcudun, Lewis, Farr, Sharkey, and B. Baer.

Ali's best wins are:
Norton (x2), Frazier (x2), Foreman, Liston (x2), Patterson I, Quarry (x2), Ellis, Bugner (x2), Lyle, Young, Shavers

Louis convincingly beat all his opponents at least once, and in impressive fashion. Ali never convincingly beat Norton, and he robbed Jimmy Young. Louis also got all his wins fighting clean, while Ali broke every rule he could.

Now, Louis still has 22 notable guys he beat after his best 11. Those 22 guys are by FAR, and I mean FAR, better than Ali's next best 22 opponents.